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Old 10-06-2022, 05:11 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Lol, lost it in a boating accident.
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Old 10-06-2022, 05:30 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Here is a weird idea: Go back and make yourself obscenely rich before 9/11, track down 119 members of the same gang in the Portland Maine area, and mail them paperwork for all-expense-paid trips to L.A.

That was the number of coach seats.

Since three terrorists were in business class, I am sorry non-terrorist or gang-affiliated first- and business-class passengers, your loss is acceptable.

I have the crazy idea that if 5 terrorists try to hijack a plane 119 gang members would stop them.

Would they save themselves, the crew, and the innocent bystanders, as well as Tower 1, its occupants, and rescuers?

I think it is worth a chance.

However, there is all kinds of information on Wikipedia:
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Mohamed Atta, the ringleader of the attacks, and a fellow hijacker, Abdulaziz al-Omari, arrived at Portland International Jetport (Portland, Maine) at 05:41 Eastern Daylight Time on September 11, 2001. At the Portland ticket counter, Atta asked ticket agent Mike Tuohey for his boarding pass for Flight 11.
Find the biggest and toughest security guards you can and pay them to bump into Atta and Abdularziz in front of security and try to get them to lose their temper.

Maybe it would get them arrested, maybe it would get your guards arrested.

Maybe it would delay the inevitable, but if Atta and Abdulaziz get arrested hopefully they will find information like they were overstaying their visas or something else warranting keeping them in custody.
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In hindsight (for me), the US reaction to terrorism has kept delivering wins to terrorists to this day.
No hindsight needed for me. I watched it go down. When the flag on top dropped straight down instead of torquing on it's way, it was obvious it was a controlled pull. Building Seven was just icing on the cake.

Then, even though it was a World Trade Center it became all about New York City. There's a gray area between crime and war. Perception was skewed toward the latter.

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Clinton can't get a BJ without everyone knowing it, so I give low confidence in the "inside job" theory. I haven't studied the Bd7 explanation, or can't recall anything on it anymore. I have spent about an equal amount of time listening to explanations for inside job, and the rebuttal.

I was 3 weeks into my 20th year when I listened to news interrupt on the transparent FM radio I had purchased on prison commissary, at around 5am. Having never followed the news, I didn't know how frequently terrorists attacked and took out whole buildings, so I had no calibrated notion for the magnitude of the event.

My hindsight informs that my voting for GWB twice (only presidential candidate I've ever voted for) was foolish, and that the attitude of the local chapter of the college republicans at the time mostly shared the same bad instincts on what stance to take. When it came time to elect the College Republican president, I voted for the charismatic and likeable guy who more resembled Bush in character than the guy who was more intelligent, more informed, and more rationally motivated.

So, being dragged into countries of no interest on false pretenses and making an enemy out of citizens by depriving them of their right to privacy and property, as well as setting the spending trajectory towards inevitable catastrophe was the catalyst to abandon party affiliation and stick to the issues.

Terrorism is still a useful designation despite the recent trend to label everything as such. Flying a plane into a civilian building knowing it will do nothing to overthrow the US, but only kill infidels in exchange for 72 virgins falls somewhere more distinct than crime or war. Terrorism seems appropriate.
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I have spent about an equal amount of time listening to explanations for inside job, and the rebuttal.
Has anyone explained why the hole in the Pentagon was so small?

Best Onion headline ever was "drunken frat boy drive country into ditch". At least I thought it was the Onion. DDG sez it's from the Utah Daily Chronicle.
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Highway Patrol officers reported finding a high-ranking government official who had apparently driven his country into a ditch in rural Texas. According to the officers, the man, who would only identify himself as “Dubya,” was ranting about the state of the union and the drunken state of his daughters while intermittently yelling, “I am the king of the world.”
He set a low bar for the current Resident to limbo under.

Jokes on them, its a mistranslation of '72 raisins'.
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It has been said that Muslim martyrs will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, or paradise. But a growing number of Quran scholars and Islamic theologians have contested its interpretation. In the CNN special show "Why They Hate Us" in 2016, Canadian author and Quran scholar Irshad Manji said the word "virgin" in the Quran meant "raisin."
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Why wasn’t the hole as wide as a 757’s nearly 125-foot wingspan? A crashing jet doesn’t punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University.
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Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that’s what the windows were supposed to do—they’re blast-resistant.
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Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. [...] Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. “It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?”
Popular Mechanics: Myths About the 9/11 Pentagon Plane Crash: Debunked

The pentagon was made with close-set concrete columns with spiral rebar, which maintained integrity for long enough for most employees to escape:
History.com: How the Pentagon's Design Saved Lives on September 11
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Well, there's the surveillance footage of the plane. Then there's the parking lot light poles that were severed consistent with the wingspan and velocity of the plane, and then the explanation that the Pentagon was hardened against attack. Despite that hardening, the plane penetrated into the E ring. This is all from memory from back when Utube was a newish thing.
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9/11 and the madness to follow reminds me of Star trek tng season 4 episode 21.
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Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season 4 Episode 21: The Drumhead ...
Starring: Michael Dorn, LeVar Burton, Brent Spiner, Patrick Stewart, Denise Crosby, Jonathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis, Gates McFadden, Wil Wheaton. Summary: Stardate: 44769.2. Picard is accused of treason when an explosion aboard the Enterprise sets off an investigation by a ruthless and paranoid Starfleet admiral. Creator: Gene Roddenberry.
I hear not-good things about the current series.

But I liked
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