Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-11-2020, 04:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
oldtamiyaphile's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,510

UFI - '12 Fiat 500 Twinair
Team Turbocharged!
90 day: 40.3 mpg (US)

Jeep - '05 Jeep Wrangler Renegade
90 day: 18.09 mpg (US)

R32 - '89 Nissan Skyline

STiG - '16 Renault Trafic 140dCi Energy
90 day: 30.12 mpg (US)

Prius - '05 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 50.25 mpg (US)

Premodded - '49 Ford Freighter
90 day: 13.48 mpg (US)

F-117 - '10 Proton Arena GLSi
Pickups
Mitsubishi
90 day: 37.82 mpg (US)

Ralica - '85 Toyota Celica ST
90 day: 25.23 mpg (US)

Sx4 - '07 Suzuki Sx4
90 day: 32.21 mpg (US)

F-117 (2) - '03 Citroen Xsara VTS
90 day: 30.06 mpg (US)
Thanks: 325
Thanked 452 Times in 319 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by JulianEdgar View Post
Not a car that will be known to most people here, but a mid-1990s Australian EF Ford Falcon. I always thought (and think) they had the cooling intake about right (and it's a hot country and the car was spec'd for towing reasonable loads).

Global examples:

USA:



Europe:



Japan:


__________________






  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to oldtamiyaphile For This Useful Post:
JulianEdgar (10-11-2020), redpoint5 (10-11-2020)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-11-2020, 12:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
me and my metro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 556

Economy Saturn - '02 Saturn L200
Thanks: 255
Thanked 198 Times in 156 Posts
Unfortunately a majority of new cars sit of freeways in stop and traffic with the air conditioning on. Cooling systems are designed to drive to Death Valley in the summer so everyone gets to enjoy the added grill capacity.
__________________
02 Saturn L200 5 speed- 265k miles
84 Gmc 6.5 na diesel K30 4x4, TMU
2006 Lincoln Navigator, 215k miles
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to me and my metro For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-11-2020)
Old 10-11-2020, 12:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,659
Thanks: 7,765
Thanked 8,575 Times in 7,061 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
Global examples:
JuilianEdgar calls his shots. What's the VW example?

Or are you saying just cars with similar air intake openings? The Taurus and the Passat both have an upper opening in the corporate emblem.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
"We're deeply sorry." -- Pfizer
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-11-2020)
Old 10-11-2020, 12:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
Somewhat crazed
 
Piotrsko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: 1826 miles WSW of Normal
Posts: 4,061
Thanks: 467
Thanked 1,111 Times in 980 Posts
My Golf has an intake around the emblem. I can block off everything else as long as OAT is below 50 degrees F, above that gauging errors make me uncomfortable that the computer will not overheat the system
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Piotrsko For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-11-2020)
Old 10-11-2020, 12:56 PM   #15 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,442

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 24.19 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - CBR600 - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - Dodge/Cummins - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 26.68 mpg (US)

Chevy ZR-2 - '03 Chevrolet S10 ZR2
90 day: 17.14 mpg (US)

Model Y - '24 Tesla Y LR AWD
Thanks: 4,207
Thanked 4,388 Times in 3,362 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by me and my metro View Post
Unfortunately a majority of new cars sit of freeways in stop and traffic with the air conditioning on. Cooling systems are designed to drive to Death Valley in the summer so everyone gets to enjoy the added grill capacity.
That's true, but it doesn't explain why there is a design fad to make the grill appear larger than it actually is.

aerohead's explanation seemed to make sense to me; that there's little aero penalty to styling the front of the vehicle, so that's the area designers get more freedom to differentiate the brand.

Unfortunately the current fad seems to differentiate the brand through ever expanding faux grills.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to redpoint5 For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-11-2020)
Old 10-11-2020, 02:18 PM   #16 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 27,659
Thanks: 7,765
Thanked 8,575 Times in 7,061 Posts
Makes me wish I had my Stupidbaker back:



A vinyl bra in light blue with horizontal pleats?
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
"We're deeply sorry." -- Pfizer
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 15,883
Thanks: 23,957
Thanked 7,219 Times in 4,646 Posts
' Skunkworks' cooling

I believe that it was Walter Korff, Chief Engineer, Lockheed Aircraft Company,( designer of Goldenrod ) in 1963, who gave us the cooling inlet used even today by all NASCAR teams. Full-width of radiator, at 1/6th radiator height, into an air-tight diverging nozzle, widening to full radiator height within the bodywork.
It was enough to keep a 426-hemi alive at beyond 200-mph at Daytona or Bonneville.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to aerohead For This Useful Post:
redpoint5 (10-12-2020)
Old 11-08-2020, 08:13 AM   #18 (permalink)
Cd
Ultimate Fail
 
Cd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin,Texas
Posts: 3,585
Thanks: 2,872
Thanked 1,121 Times in 679 Posts
EVs have some pretty bad looking grilles too.
The Leaf appears to be wearing braces.
I know what you are thinking : but at least in the case of the Leaf, the grille is blocked.

There is a fellow in my apts with one of these BMWs with the oversize grille. On closer inspection, almost the entire grille is blocked, with just tiny slits that are open.
So the main difference is that with the Leaf, the grille is the body color.

Here is an article that mentions some of the details Mercedes has put into the aero on the front grille of the car. ( farther down in the article ) It mentions how they put features such as scoops and such to good use to reduce drag.
https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2...pact-bodywork/

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20201108_065931.jpg
Views:	32
Size:	35.5 KB
ID:	29522  

Last edited by Cd; 11-08-2020 at 08:36 AM.. Reason: GrammerNotsee - ( grille / grill )
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Cd For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-11-2020)
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com