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View Poll Results: Which of the following 3 is your top priority when selecting a new tire?
Low Rolling Resistance 6 85.71%
Treadwear 0 0%
Traction 1 14.29%
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Old 03-22-2021, 02:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What tires do you have & how would you rate their RR, treadwear & traction?

Figured I’d start a thread to give Consumer Reports like insight, but with a focus on which tires ecomodders tend to choose. It’s always good to see if a particular brand has changed their formula and if it’s improved over the years or not.

Also if anyone wants to highlight any new developments in tire technology, that would be awesome.


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Ummmm the top 3 choices need to have more than 3 choices (at least on my phone)

Otherwise it's traction, traction, Z or better rating

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I voted "rolling resistance". I prioritize fuel economy, and am generally of the opinion that I'll spend more money to make my car more efficient than will ever come back to me. Getting huge numbers on my fuel economy instrumentation is almost a game, and something I have pride in.

However, I find I'm in a somewhat unique position. With my engine swap, I destroy front tires, even when not trying to, and let's not talk about when someone shouts "DO A BURNOUT!".

I would honestly run the narrowest, lowest rolling resistance tires I could get away with, but even pressing the pedal to the floor in 2nd gear with the famous RE92s causes wheelspin, taking potentially hundreds of miles of life off of them each time I pull away from a stop, if I'm not careful. So, I've settled on something a little wider and sturdier, simply so they survive.
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Michelin Energy Savers

Reddit mentions Michelin Energy Savers to be slippery, poor durability and prone to developing bubbles. Are they industry shills spreading rumors or are these legitimate problems?

AAA claimed that hypermiling is dangerous and various news outlets brought in law enforcement, painting it as illegal, instead of focusing on the correct way to do it, as a way to discourage the general public & persuade public opinion. It’s hard to know the truth now a days.

What is the personal experience of forum members on Michelin energy savers? How does the self seal function? Thanks!

Any significant decrease in fuel economy with avid ascend GT?

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I almost voted treadwear but went with traction instead. Tires are the only thing connecting your vehicle to the road, I'll choose traction every time. Treadwear is a close 2nd. LRR isn't even a consideration and because of its inherent relationship with traction, I actively avoid it.
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Reddit mentions Michelin Energy Savers to be slippery, poor durability
What is the personal experience of forum members on Michelin energy savers? How does the self seal function? Thanks!

Any significant decrease in fuel economy with avid ascend GT?
First all anything seen on redit should be treated as if it were heard from a middle school lunchroom table.
There is no self seal function. They get a nail in them they go flat like every other tire.

I went from ecopia, to replacing 2 of those avid ascend gt, that was a mistake and to energy savers..
The avid ascend gt is rated as average rolling resistance accord to the euro tire rating system.
I would say it caused a near catastrophic loss in range on the leaf and I only replaced 2. They are a great tire, just not for an electric car.

There's posts on here here where I go over it in detail.
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Reddit mentions Michelin Energy Savers to be slippery, poor durability and prone to developing bubbles. Are they industry shills spreading rumors or are these legitimate problems?

AAA claimed that hypermiling is dangerous and various news outlets brought in law enforcement, painting it as illegal, instead of focusing on the correct way to do it, as a way to discourage the general public & persuade public opinion. Itís hard to know the truth now a days.

What is the personal experience of forum members on Michelin energy savers? How does the self seal function? Thanks!

Any significant decrease in fuel economy with avid ascend GT?
Michelin doesn't make them in a 165/65r14 anymore, but they used to. Compared with RE92s, I found them to last longer, have a firmer ride, and sharper handling.

I put them on my wife's Fit, and I feel they're some of the better (best?) all-around LLR tires - but they typically cost a premium too.
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I still run the Hankook Kinergy ST on my Saturn. I feel that they have a nice balance of LRR,l and traction. They last however long they last
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I almost voted treadwear but went with traction instead. Tires are the only thing connecting your vehicle to the road, I'll choose traction every time. Treadwear is a close 2nd. LRR isn't even a consideration and because of its inherent relationship with traction, I actively avoid it.
Indeed. Thanks for sharing this thought. Safety is a priority over fuel efficiency. I didn’t realize how much of a hit the other 2 take, according to what others are reporting and perhaps I misjudged & voted incorrectly.

I currently run ohtsu fp0612 A/S. Don’t drive enough to know how it compares to other tires, but I can say I’ve gotten excellent even treadwear, including over a year and a half of running over a nail and getting it patched. The patched tire holds 50 PSI & only falls 2-3 psi below the other 3. And it appears to be an excellent value, made by the company that makes Falken. Anyone can compare & contrast it’s RR & traction with other brands? I’d greatly appreciate it. Thank you!

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There is no self seal function. They get a nail in them they go flat like every other tire.

I went from ecopia, to replacing 2 of those avid ascend gt, that was a mistake and to energy savers..
The avid ascend gt is rated as average rolling resistance accord to the euro tire rating system.
I would say it caused a near catastrophic loss in range.
I found these self seal energy savers, new product? Wondering how it works:
https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tires.j...rom=selectSize

Thanks for telling how fuel inefficient avids are, I think I’ll avoid them.

But I did just notice a sidewall failure at 8k in a Walmart review, concerning Michelin energy savers. Anyone else have sidewall failure here?


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