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Old 03-28-2021, 06:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
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But I did just notice a sidewall failure at 8k in a Walmart review, concerning Michelin energy savers. Anyone else have sidewall failure here?

I used to go off-roading in my Insight occasionally, when I had two energy savers and two RE92s on the car. I broke a belt in one of the RE92s and the sidewall bubbled, but the energy savers eventually died from ~80,000 miles of treadwear.

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Old 03-28-2021, 08:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Don't buy tires from walmart. They buy blems and scab made tires.
I bought my energy saver tires from tirerack dot com.

The energy saver tire inflated to 38psi showed no loss in range when I switched from warn out ecopia tires inflated to 44psi. Which is impressive because worn tires are your most efficient and new tires are least efficient.
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Don't buy tires from walmart. They buy blems and scab made tires.
Does the same hold true for Costco tires?

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I don't know about cosco.
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Reddit mentions Michelin Energy Savers to be slippery, poor durability and prone to developing bubbles. Are they industry shills spreading rumors or are these legitimate problems?
with avid ascend GT?
No my Michelin LRRs have been terrible, great dry traction but terrible wear and one developed a bubble in the tread area
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No my Michelin LRRs have been terrible, great dry traction but terrible wear and one developed a bubble in the tread area
Ahh, thanks!! Which vehicle were they on? PSI? Driving style (hypermiler or spirited)? Tire size? Stock tires? Good wet driving?

Any significant difference in ohtsu tires RR & traction compared to Michelin Energy Savers, or does it not justify the price difference & am I better off just running ohtsu tires at 50 PSI?

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The energy savers are normally at least $150 each.
The Yokohama avid ascend GT tires are probably closer to $100. I say the energy savers aren't necessary on something that isn't electric only.
The Yokohama tires are better in every single way except rolling resistance and maybe tread wear, but with tread wear is should be pretty close between the 2.
If you run them at 50 psi they will wear out along the center of the tread by 40,000 to 50,000 miles. Only run them at max inflation when it's apparent that they will wear out on the shoulder, or if they are already fairly bald.
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After all the snow last year & being next to hills impossible to climb in A/S, since I never bought new winter tires, I decided to check out LRR A/S with decent snow ratings.

I was surprised to see MICHELIN Cross Climate 2, which just came out, have the 3 peak snowflake & is Severe Snow Service Rated.

According to many YT reviews, including Engineering Explained, these A/S tires perform better than some winter tires! What sorcery is this, that everyone’s claiming this new tread pattern and compound allows it to have excellent LRR, tread wear and traction, including winter performance? I thought there were sacrifices that had to be made in the triangle? Is it possible this thing is a breakthrough? Sounds like an excellent question to ask of Capri Racer!

Also wonder if they’re superior to Nokian WRG4. Anyone here have Michelin Cross Climate 2, to share their triangle experience?

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The Cross Climate 2 use a winter compound, and a very unique tread pattern that is supposed to prevent them from wearing rapidly during summer. I've never actually driven on them though.
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Is this the world’s 1st no compromise tire? If the tread life is good, I could get behind the idea of saving money by not having to swap winter/summer tires out twice a year. And a LRR tire to boot? This sounds too good to be true, what’s the catch?


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