Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-15-2018, 04:06 PM   #211 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,312
Thanks: 24,439
Thanked 7,386 Times in 4,783 Posts
connected

Quote:
Originally Posted by All Darc View Post
I need some help. In a solar car that is not very well flat on top, how would be the solar cells connection, since if just one cell get shade the entire cell connceted in series will get problem.
I presume they need to very vey plan what areas will have independent conncetion, in relation the the angle to the sun, in orther to minimize the risk.
The solar racers I've seen all had what they called a solid state solar tracker. Series/parallel panel array segments were wired in to the solid state device,which during partial shading,directed the 'live' segments through the power converter to the motor,while isolating the 'dead' areas so as not to create an open-circuit condition which would otherwise occur if any series elements were to go into shade,knocking out the whole array.

__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 09-15-2018, 06:06 PM   #212 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Brazil
Posts: 1,476
Thanks: 14
Thanked 363 Times in 327 Posts
Thank you Aerohead. You guys always have a answer. :-)

This "solid state solar tracker"... Is it a series of different connection that you switch in different ways ?

I imagine a solition before, but not like a elaborated device, but like 2 ou 3 line connections, in different ways, and you would switch to the best for a given angle of the sun in relkation to the car. The difficult would be to keep the same voltage for panels.

I wondered if a device with a compass and GSP could calculate the sun position, car position, car angle (body lenght) in relation to the sun, and computate the beast adjust for better power perfomance of the solar panel system. The level, car angle inglination in case of climb or go down a hill could also be a factor to calculate.

In the case of SOlar WOrld No* 1 this management of solar cells connections would be very important, since this specific solar car it's quite far from have a flat surface:

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to All Darc For This Useful Post:
aerohead (09-18-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 11:45 AM   #213 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,312
Thanks: 24,439
Thanked 7,386 Times in 4,783 Posts
tracker connections

Quote:
Originally Posted by All Darc View Post
Thank you Aerohead. You guys always have a answer. :-)

This "solid state solar tracker"... Is it a series of different connection that you switch in different ways ?

I imagine a solition before, but not like a elaborated device, but like 2 ou 3 line connections, in different ways, and you would switch to the best for a given angle of the sun in relkation to the car. The difficult would be to keep the same voltage for panels.

I wondered if a device with a compass and GSP could calculate the sun position, car position, car angle (body lenght) in relation to the sun, and computate the beast adjust for better power perfomance of the solar panel system. The level, car angle inglination in case of climb or go down a hill could also be a factor to calculate.

In the case of SOlar WOrld No* 1 this management of solar cells connections would be very important, since this specific solar car it's quite far from have a flat surface:

Unfortunately,I have no direct experience with the tracker technology.
I attended one of the races leading up the World Solar Challenge,hosted at Weatherford College,Weatherford,Texas,years ago,and the teams described the system,but not specifically.
In order for the system to work,the array would have to be divided into 'sides','centerline',and 'fore and aft' in order to segregate out 'dead' elements of the array.At least six separate inputs I would guess.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-20-2018, 02:13 PM   #214 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Brazil
Posts: 1,476
Thanks: 14
Thanked 363 Times in 327 Posts
I found this about Honda Dream solar car.

Interesting, it was a solar car for two persons :







But I couldn't open the PDF
: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...89430498000198





Last edited by All Darc; 09-20-2018 at 02:19 PM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to All Darc For This Useful Post:
aerohead (09-22-2018)
Old 09-20-2018, 05:41 PM   #215 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,704
Thanks: 8,147
Thanked 8,925 Times in 7,368 Posts


B and C have the lowest drag, but I like A for the useable interior volume, and the ME-262 shark profile. You could get there with an un-rotated superellipse.

__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-24-2018)
Old 10-23-2018, 09:24 PM   #216 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Brazil
Posts: 1,476
Thanks: 14
Thanked 363 Times in 327 Posts
Look that, as spot solar car, or at least looking like one :

Gallery | ATN SOLAR CAR


  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to All Darc For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 08:02 AM   #217 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
kach22i's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 4,187
Thanks: 132
Thanked 2,809 Times in 1,973 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by All Darc View Post
Look that, as spot solar car, or at least looking like one :
Our Car | ATN SOLAR CAR
Quote:
Cruiser Class solar-electric vehicle in the 2019 Bridgestone World Solar Challenge.
I suspect that the Cruiser Class is like car racing's "Prototype Class" in that they both seek to race cars that the public can identify with as possibly exotic street cars.

These classes cannot compete with the more thoroughbred or unlimited classes on their own but at least look like cars that we can all relate to.

Gallery | ATN SOLAR CAR


Looks like a star cruiser - beautiful.
__________________
George
Architect, Artist and Designer of Objects

2012 Infiniti G37X Coupe
1977 Porsche 911s Targa
1998 Chevy S-10 Pick-Up truck
1989 Scat II HP Hovercraft

You cannot sell aerodynamics in a can............
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to kach22i For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-24-2018)
Old 10-24-2018, 12:34 PM   #218 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,704
Thanks: 8,147
Thanked 8,925 Times in 7,368 Posts
Nice. It looks to have more interior volume, with side-by-side seating instead of back-to-back tandem.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2019, 01:50 AM   #219 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Brazil
Posts: 1,476
Thanks: 14
Thanked 363 Times in 327 Posts
It's late night, and I found this a couple minutes ago, and will still watch :







Will Aptera reborn???

With Braga's battery I just imagine how far would Aptera go.

Going to sleep. Later I check the vides and make comments...

Last edited by All Darc; 09-10-2019 at 02:06 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to All Darc For This Useful Post:
aerohead (09-11-2019)
Old 09-10-2019, 03:32 PM   #220 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,704
Thanks: 8,147
Thanked 8,925 Times in 7,368 Posts
I don't like the stance. I get the lessened interference drag, but it has a high center of gravity.

If you drop the nose the shape is wrong. It would have to be level.


__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (09-11-2019)
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com