Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-26-2008, 10:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
Ahhh your a picky lot of chaps! Thankfully I'm at home now and youtube's registration is short and painless.


__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 01-26-2008, 11:02 AM   #12 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,515

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 52.71 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 70.75 mpg (US)

Appliance car - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 52.48 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,062
Thanked 6,959 Times in 3,603 Posts
Ah! Neat.

Comments: I have read that it generally does not pay to increase frontal area just in order to achieve the ideal shape. (Although I read that in the context of roof design.)

I mention that because it looks like the leading edge of the skirt would have more of a gap between it and the tire/wheel than the trailing edge. Just minimizing the gap, and keeping transitions as smooth as possible with that constraint, might be the best approach.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2008, 11:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
I guess I was thinking of using this versus the normal covers I've seen which are more of a symetrical arc if you can imagine that. The buldging out is needed to clear the wheel. So, the cover would only extend as far out as need be, definitly no farther.
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2008, 09:40 AM   #14 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Daox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germantown, WI
Posts: 11,203

CM400E - '81 Honda CM400E
90 day: 51.49 mpg (US)

Daox's Grey Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 49.53 mpg (US)

Daox's Insight - '00 Honda Insight
90 day: 64.33 mpg (US)

Swarthy - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage DE
Mitsubishi
90 day: 56.69 mpg (US)

Daox's Volt - '13 Chevrolet Volt
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 2,585 Times in 1,553 Posts
Any other ideas or comments?

Again, this shape would take place only because it needs to, not where it wouldn't need to. For instance on most cars toward the bottom of the body they tend to taper inward. This happens on both my Paseo and Matrix. Now, the skirt will need to buldge around the wheel instead of staying flat against the outside face of the wheel well. In this instance would it not be more aerodynamic to have the tear drop shape?

Also, how does the gap between the skirt and wheel/tire effect things other than just needing clearance for suspension movement?
__________________
Current project: A better alternator delete
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2008, 11:23 PM   #15 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,515

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 52.71 mpg (US)

Even Fancier Metro - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage top spec
90 day: 70.75 mpg (US)

Appliance car - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 52.48 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,062
Thanked 6,959 Times in 3,603 Posts
I think the goal should be minimizing the gap between the tire & the skirt. I think by definition, that means you may not be able to build in a tear drop shape.

On my car, I intentionally avoided rounding the skirt back towards the bumper cover at the aft end of the arch. Instead, it joins the rear mud flap. My thinking there was clean separation at the end of the skirt was best.

When I tested the skirts on the Camry hybrid & Corolla, I used the rear mud flap in both cases for aft fastening (OK, duct tape) and then I also "faired" from that point aft to the bumper cover (cardboard). That additional fairing in addition to the skirts provided the best results on both cars.

__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
DIY: plastic rear wheel skirts (Geo Metro) MetroMPG DIY / How-to 57 06-12-2014 09:16 AM
DIY Rubber Front Wheel Skirts newtonsfirstlaw DIY / How-to 32 05-19-2011 07:45 AM
Done: A-B-A test on rear wheel skirts - Corolla, Camry Hybrid MetroMPG Aerodynamics 11 06-06-2009 03:49 PM
Geo Metro rear wheel skirts - 2 examples MetroMPG Aerodynamics 10 02-27-2008 10:09 PM
Fastening wheel skirts Daox Aerodynamics 11 01-23-2008 06:54 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com