Why are you Green??? what do you dislike about the green Movement?

[Lazarus]

For me it's about efficiency. Being efficient just happen to make me what others consider "Green". Why use a sledge hammer to drive a nail.

[groar]

I'm green because nobody proved that saving non renewable resources is bad

Denis.

[blueflame]

I don't think making generalizations about bearded hippies or wealthy yuppies or business executives or whoever, actually helps the green cause at all.

Good and bad people can be found everywhere.

[Snax]

Agreed. We've got our conservative friends at least looking at the option of bio-diesel or ethanol powered ski boats. :P

[blueflame]

And hippys on benefits, driving around in a stoned, holier than thou haze, with an old fumer than leaks more dirty oil than Paris Hilton doing the splits.

Hey Snax, dont know a guy in Eugene called Sterling? carpenter who rides an electric kickscooter with a biodiesel house bus by any chance?

[Snax]

Heh, I think we have about a hundred people like that here!

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Snax

We've got our conservative friends at least looking at the option of bio-diesel or ethanol powered ski boats. :P

You know, I'd think that if a person was a real conservative, they'd be in a sailboat. And if really conservative, a wooden-hulled one :-)

[BrianAbington]

I'm not nessicarilly green...I'm a conservationist. I like the environment, I like clean water.
I ecomod to save gas because for the longest time finances were very tight for my wife and I so every extra bit I could squeeze out of my car helped.

I keep doing it because ecomodding is cheaper than performance mods and challenges the engineering side of my brain because these are things I have to come up with on my own specifficaly for my car.

I personaly feel that there is something going on with the environment but the global warming movement tends to show temp trends from the past 20-30 years. Were if you look back to the 30's you will see the similar temp trends and some hotter summers than we have now.

There is also alot of deception in my opinion. Al gore in an inconvinent truth used satelite images of melting polar ice caps that were CGI images from the day after tomorrow.
The WWF has a comercial about polar bears were it shows a parent and baby polar bear on a small chunk of ice. the parent at the end of the commercial jumps off the ice and the comercial leads you to belive that because of us they are leaving the baby behind to die.
However this is a game for polar bears, they ride out on chunks of ice that break off the glaciers. They will get miles out from shore and then jump in the water and swim back to land and its easy for them because their fat keeps them afloat so they just have to kick in the water.

My main thing is that for the global warming side the science is settled. And if you can validly point to some flaws it results in the most angry responses I have ever recived...so much for open mindedness.

RFK jr has said that if you disagree with global warming you are a facist and pretty much inline with those who deney the holocaust.

So much for open minded debate.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Binger

So much for open minded debate.

So what's to debate? It's physics. It's like asking whether the Earth goes around the sun: you can "debate" all you want, and if you have the political power, threaten people until they quit annoying you with facts that challenge your comfortable world view, but in the end, the universe is the answer, and all your debate won't keep the world from moving, or from heating up.

[BrianAbington]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

all your debate won't keep the world from moving, or from heating up.

Well it could help to stave off global socialism.

Why can't people agree to disagree...you believe that we cause the earth to heat up...I believe that the earth just heats up and cools down on its own the way that it was designed to.

I don't want the govt telling me to buy certain light bulbs, or forcing disproportinatly unfair global carbon taxes on us.