BORPower additive?

[aerohead]

* I'm not going to marginalize what you experienced, or any of the other contributors here at 'BORPower', but, at the time you originally posted about nBA, I was already familiar with 'explanations' about turning worn-out engines around, which did not require invoking 'boric acid'.
The same 'explanation' was hiding in plain view in basically every 'engine treatment' manufacturer's literature.
Hence the 'deep-dive' into the past.

[aerohead]

1) The engine manufacturer is only accountable to the 'car' buyer for the duration of the new car warranty ( presently Hyundai/KIA/Genesis offer a 10-year or 100,000-mile warranty.
2) Caterpillar Corporation studies there engine design within the context of, 10,000,000 miles duty cycle, over 7-8-years, with 25% 'wear' over that time span, before 'overhaul'.
3) My 1984 HONDA CIVIC CRX was at 337,000-miles when I 'parked it', in perfectly-running condition.
4) My 1994 Toyota T-100 pickup, with the 2.7-liter, inline 4-cylinder, is running well at 447,000-miles on the odometer ( I believe member BamZipPow's T-100 has more mileage than mine ) just changing the oil & filter at 7,500-miles.The rubber valve-cover gasket became very brittle and I replaced it, but the engine is basically 'un-touched.'
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5) So, I'm curious as to these 'worn-out' cars, and how that's 'quantified'?
It seems like Toyota will do 1,000,000 miles ( 1,609,357- km ). What do people expect?

[aerohead]

1) I visited motor oils the other day.
2) Cars that MotorSilk marketed to were using API SD oils.
3) Today, we're up to API SP oils, with viscosity as low as 0W-8 ( Mobil I, 100% Synthetic, designed for hybrid cars requiring SAE 0W- 8)
4) Mobil Corporation is recommending the oil & filter change @ 10,000-miles.
5) A 20,000-km oil & filter change interval exceeds Mobil Corporation's interval by 24%, and we're talking about a motor oil approved in 'supercars.'
6) I may be wrong about the 'discoloration', but I'll ask local dealerships for samples of warranty car oil drained @ 10,000-miles to have a 'look' ( I've never seen used motor that wasn't discolored, in 68-years ).

[aerohead]

1) All I said was that, there is no 'scientific method' to any of the 'tests', leaving us no real actionable information.
2) When I asked you directly to provide more specific information about your 'test' experience you purposely withheld the information from me, which might have given any of us 'non-averse-to-mathematics' members ( some retired automotive engineers ) a possible way to cast more light on member experiences, which in 'science' , is typically a 'GOOD' thing.
3) According to President Abraham Lincoln, for you to 'know' and not 'tell' makes you a 'coward.'
4) No API, ASTM, or SAE automotive engine tests are conducted on 'worn-out' engines, so we have nothing 'scientific' to help us understand the nBA phenomena.
5) Dr. Erdemir never tested any Boron substance with 85% the hardness of diamond.
5) He never demonstrated a 1,000% friction reduction.
6) The 'research tribologists' talk about Reynolds number effects all throughout their reporting, but you fail to 'see' any of it, as they're writing to a technical audience who will pick up on it by default.
I'm out of time, I may come back later and pick up on the thread.

[aerohead]

Here are the values used by Argonne's tribologists to provide context to their conclusions.
If your car is exactly as described, then you have the highest probability to see numbers as predicted/observed. And bear in mind that this data is 13-years old, and the cars were manufactured 25-years ago.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01679X11003501

[aerohead]

Color Service left a message that they had the unit.
Made by SATA, Germany.
$92.00 ( US ) after Governor Abbott stuck his hand down my pants.
The Saybolt Universal Second units can be directly converted into CentiStoke ( cSt) for SAE viscosity comparisons at the reported global, standardized test temperatures.
There exist no direct viscosity conversions for static / dynamic 'friction coefficients.'
For automobile lubrication, 'viscosity' is the most important metric for an engine's health, and what the additive package is designed around.

[aerohead]

A point to ponder:
* Using the ASTM 4-Ball test, RedLine's MTL, SAE 75W-80 transmission oil registered :
1) Mu = 0.076 @ zero-RPM
2) Mu = 0.150 @ 695-RPM
3) Mu = 0.100 @ 1,437-RPM
A variance of 197%, all at the same laboratory ambient temperature.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Explosive instantaneous disassembly?, view ports in the block? Siezing parts so solid they will not disassemble?

This...
This here did my head in.
(Which is why I haven't been back to thread in so long. I dont think I was capable of a coherent reply at the time of reading this)

I get that you don't know me.
Perhaps I AM some naked savage who dances around 3 legged pots filled with humans I'm boiling alive when not online.
Perhaps I get some sort of warped kick out of convincing people, who may never even report back, into wrecking their engines.
What I don't get is how all the linked Peer Reviewed, published Research, and feedback from people who tried this, can be so utterly ignored as to even entertain such a notion!???
Even results that show improvement in real working engines! One eg:
https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/10402004.2014.909549


This one comment broke may faith in humans, being decent, thinking, inquisitive beings on average.
Thx for that. Hope you get a real big kick out of knowing it.

Whatever.
I will continue to learn new and try new stuff based on new discoveries, that you and your ilk so blissfully ignore and reject, as that still seems brings me some happiness.
I will also continue to help people here by treating their engines, saving them money.

[Piotrsko]

What part of my request for definative proof is missing such that you do not understand the request?

You tube copypaste posting is not a legitimate answer, nor is someone elses one off "scientific" report.

I have accepted an increase of compression because the gaps were full of some sort of unknown compound. What do the bearing / wear faces look like? We dont know. How about plating the cylinder wear tapers or even the piston skirt? Once again we dont know what in the cylinder is altered. I have technical books from as far back as 1950 up to 2013 stating compression is not a reliable single indicator of engine condition.


Can you even properly reply to C Sagans request for extrodinary proof?

Does that Hurt your feelings? Poor baby. Not my friend anymore? BTDTMODCA, take a number.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Logic

This...
This here did my head in.
(Which is why I haven't been back to thread in so long. I dont think I was capable of a coherent reply at the time of reading this)

I get that you don't know me.
Perhaps I AM some naked savage who dances around 3 legged pots filled with humans I'm boiling alive when not online.
Perhaps I get some sort of warped kick out of convincing people, who may never even report back, into wrecking their engines.
What I don't get is how all the linked Peer Reviewed, published Research, and feedback from people who tried this, can be so utterly ignored as to even entertain such a notion!???
Even results that show improvement in real working engines! One eg:
https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/10402004.2014.909549

This one comment broke may faith in humans, being decent, thinking, inquisitive beings on average.
Thx for that. Hope you get a real big kick out of knowing it.

Whatever.
I will continue to learn new and try new stuff based on new discoveries, that you and your ilk so blissfully ignore and reject, as that still seems brings me some happiness.
I will also continue to help people here by treating their engines, saving them money.

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We've looked at this already and it went down in flames due to it's 'context'.
It has absolutely no bearing on 'the real world.'
It appears that you are absolutely incapable of sharing data that isn't related to 'SEVERE' , 'EXTREME' engine operating conditions, having no actionable information for people operating automobiles ( like BORPower additive users ), not gen-sets at 7%-load, at very low RPM, at very low temperature.
When you offer us a buffet of BS, it's quite easy to reject it. It's the only 'logical' outcome.