HHO May Benefit Kill Switch System

[oil pan 4]

The turbo chargers used in diesels now are water cooled. The coolant in the cavity around the bearings will boil at around 250'F. Diesel exhaust temperature at idle is usually below 400'F.

The only way the turbocharger bearings will be exposed to 700'F temperatures on a diesel is if the engine turns off while on a hill climb. Still 500'F to 700'F temperatures is nothing to a turbocharger.

A gasoline engine can run 800'F turbine inlet temperatures at idle and for may years gasoline engines didn't use water cooled turbo chargers and the turbo chargers still lasted over 100,000 miles a lot of times. So every single time time someone turned the engine off on one of these older turbocharged gasoline cars the turbocharger bearings were exposed to temperatures well beyond a diesel engines worst case scenario.

In my diesel I have an electric coolant pump so I just turn the engine off and allow the coolant pump to continue to circulate.

If your transmission cant take being rolled with the engine off, then don't do it.
My GM TH700R4 transmission can roll in neutral for many miles at high speeds with out any problem. What GM did with these transmissions is designed them so that when the engine stops most the transmission fluid runs down into the transmission pan and raises the level enough to partially cover the bearings that that turn with the drive shaft.

[Ecky]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Turning an engine on and off is not going to hurt a turbo charger.

For example flight line used ford F350 super duty trucks with 6.4L diesel engine can be started and turned off 100 times per day 5 to 7 days per week because of the idiotic rules the air force comes up with.
In all that time I only know of 1 turbo charger failure. It failed because it was gunked up from being driven at 15mph or less (the flight line speed limit) during the winter on bio diesel. The effect on engine starters is surprisingly lacking. Starting the trucks 100 times per day maybe cuts the life of the starter maybe in half.
Before the fords we had 90 and 91 dodge rams with 5.9L. Those were more solid than the fords for sure.

Then there is the fact that EOC isn't a vehicle modification. But unlike HHO, EOC actually works. It would take my 7.4L gas suburban from 9 to 10 MPG and bring it up to 12 to 13 MPG. I only use the EOC going to stop signs and stop lights that have turned. I don't know what other people are doing.

I don't have power steering on my 3/4 ton suburban. It must be nice.

The one mod I see people doing that will end up costing more later on is over inflating their new tires. The middle of the tire will be showing cord when the shoulders still have 3/32 inch of tread. I will do a max inflation on a set of tires only after they are ready for replacement.

I'm nearing the end of a set of Potenza RE92's on my Insight, and they've been at 50PSI since they were new. The treadwear is almost perfectly even - I'll take pictures of them when I get new ones.

[LittleBlackDuck]

Originally Posted by Ecky

I'm nearing the end of a set of Potenza RE92's on my Insight, and they've been at 50PSI since they were new. The treadwear is almost perfectly even - I'll take pictures of them when I get new ones.

Not slowing down for corners helps this out

Simon

[ConnClark]

Can we move this to the Unicorn Corral yet?

[gumby79]

Originally Posted by ConnClark

Can we move this to the Unicorn Corral yet?

Have you read the info what is your take on it ??
the test presented not scientific ?
Insted of banning HHO why don't we develop a list of vehicles this works with .
3 lists
1 don't
2 brake even
3 do
Most with your opinion, ... say HHO is a FARCE sighting its a brake even or single digit gain so it is unicorn....
We all agree it is hit and miss as to what year,make and models work.
Side mirrors delete is a single digit gain + a safty negative by the naysayers standerd this is a unicorn.... any sub10% gain is a unicorn.
Would you prefer to follow me up the grade breathing the left or right column?

My god this would help the be s significant improvement in air quality in Hong Kong. The savings in dust masks alone ROI +fuel (possibility) not to menchen medical savings .

Your chief complaints are
1mixed results
List ....
2 over unity free lunch it cost power.
Unacceptable to unicorn this. The thred starter is not burning a drop of fuel... solor... (or did you read? Before condemned to death)
As I have asked in every HHO discussion I have participated In when the Unicorn card was pulled .Duse the Unicorn shead its horn with a noncrankshaft power supply? Aka grid , supplamental turbo-charger/ generator http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ger-33630.html
,Peltier, sterling, Bratton ,steam, ect ect all waste heat recovery...free lunch you are just throwing in the round file /garbage yhy not produce .45% HHO by volume with this horn shedding Horse. (Former unicorn) lets not forget solor. How amps could I produce with my Aero Tonto covered in cells??the high voltage house systems, I've been looking at for welding gas supply , seem to profom better than the dc stuff.
You fill in 3-10
And ill address those.
Then we can ask for oil pan to second your motion.

Dreem big chisel down to reality

[oil pan 4]

The HHO is already on the "don't" list.

Turbodiesel engines already use heat recovery and it increases their fuel economy by 10% or more.

Solar panels on a bed cover could fit three panels that are between 100 and 120 watts each. But they don't work at night. Then laying flat they typically only produce 40 to 50% of their rated power and only between 10 am through 4 to 5 pm.

[ConnClark]

Originally Posted by gumby79

Have you read the info what is your take on it ??

I see nothing but bullsh*t arguments for HHO. I see references to known scams such as browns gas. I see a fake paper from a sham/phony university. I see a fake theory call plasma orbital expansion to defend the scam browns gas.

the test presented not scientific ?
Insted of banning HHO why don't we develop a list of vehicles this works with .
3 lists
1 don't
2 brake even
3 do

I'll save you some trouble. All vehicles will fall under 1

How the hell did this thread grow so big before someone calling it bunk? I'm ashamed no one called for this to be corralled earlier. It hurts our integrity as a community.

[LittleBlackDuck]

Originally Posted by ConnClark

I see nothing but bullsh*t arguments for HHO. I see references to known scams such as browns gas. I see a fake paper from a sham/phony university. I see a fake theory call plasma orbital expansion to defend the scam browns gas.


I'll save you some trouble. All vehicles will fall under 1

How the hell did this thread grow so big before someone calling it bunk? I'm ashamed no one called for this to be corralled earlier. It hurts our integrity as a community.

Wrong in some respects. There have been some cases where HHO has shown some MODERATE improvements, but in other cases emissions / economy has suffered. There is a shedload of real research with proper peer-review to be done to validate any findings.

I am a hardened sceptic but can be swayed by REAL, HARD EVIDENCE.

Simon

[t vago]

Let's see one vehicle that actually benefits from burning unicorn flatulen-, er, HHO. Just one. And let us see the modifications that enabled this vehicle to effectively make use of this unicorn flatulence.

Oh, that's right. Such a vehicle just does not exist.

And I'd love to think that the moderation team was keeping an eye on a thread in Ecomodding Central that had the term "HHO" in the title, given that pretty much every other HHO-related thread on this board had degenerated into shouting matches.

[ChazInMT]

Originally Posted by ConnClark

How the hell did this thread grow so big.......

My reaction to



































I just flat out give up. If people wanna use Unicorn water molecules to illustrate their obscene ignorance.....there's just nothing to say.

Plasma my Asthma. Plasma? Seriously? Really?

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