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Old 11-09-2016, 11:36 AM   #11 (permalink)
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it only gets ~24mpg though
Drive it the way its designers imagined it would be driven, and sure, that's what you get!

But Fuelly shows a couple hundred owners of the early 1.6L cars are averaging 27 mpg US, and many owners are averaging mid-high 30's mpg US. Low 40's may not be impossible - half a dozen owners report that.

I agree, the gearing is crazy low. There are solutions to that, too. I predict I would not be embraced on the Miata forums. And I'm OK with that.

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Old 11-09-2016, 11:39 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I predict I would not be embraced on the Miata forums.
I actually loled on that one.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:48 AM   #13 (permalink)
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PS Stubby79: also realize my typical driving patterns are about as MPG-friendly as they come. No commuting slog. Mostly scenic rural highways. And the infrequent urban driving I do is almost always at off-peak times.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:56 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Sounds like a good excuse to do an LS swap. It might throw 40MPG out the window, but 35 would probably be doable while being able to smoke most cars. It would be like a gas powered Tesla.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:20 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Or.... 1.0L 3-cyl Miata swap!

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It looks like the three-cylinder Miata is currently getting ~50mpg.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...0-a-18667.html

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Old 11-10-2016, 10:28 AM   #18 (permalink)
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cosmetic inspection

I haven't heard it run yet (the owner says he's still looking for the keys).

I have just crawled over, under & through it.

And to sum up: oh, boy!

This is what I first saw:



- A UV-rotted plastic tarp tied over the roof
- 3 or 4 different hues of faded red paint; a couple of panels may be original
- The tires at least have decent tread (they'd pass inspection)
- Brake rotors are rusty, but not as bad as I expected - may be salvageable. They're not seized, anyway.

The top...



Looks like it keeps most of the rain out!

- The plastic rear window (already a replacement) is opaque and it's coming away from the top of the window "frame"/opening
- Various cracks in the vinyl top/side where it creases when folded down

Paint / body:



- Oopsie dent on the left rear quarter panel
- Both rear quarters have been repaired & resprayed, possibly for wheel arch rust repairs (common). The rear rocker panels seem OK (also a common rust area).
- Very faded original (?) paint on the hood/trunk
- The rest of the panels look like they've been resprayed at various times, with the nose being done most recently (it's the shiniest part!)

Front end:

I jacked up the front end to check for worn ball joints / tie rods; it seemed fine.

Interior: Natty!



- Passenger side packed FULL of miscellaneous stuff.
- No tears in the seat, but bolster is worn
- Missing sun visor
- Door cards have seen better days
- Giant subwoofer/bass tube strapped to the parcel shelf



- dead battery in the trunk (0.6 volts - think that'll come back? )



Hello rust, my old friend.



The hole is in the driver's side footwell, about 15 cm / 6 in wide. (Figure making it 50% bigger to find good metal.) That blue patch showing is a tarp, underneath the car.

I suspected I would find this when I saw the condition of the top. Considering the car wasn't winter driven, the carpets must have been regularly wet to cause that amount of rust.

The passenger side has no holes (yet), but there's rust in the boxed reinforcing "rail" that runs beneath the footwell floor:



But the brake & fuel lines and the rest of the underbody look fine.

Nevertheless, some quality time with a welder is in this car's future. The asking price now seems a bit high.

Next up: waiting on the keys to see how it runs...
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:26 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I have one of those...it only gets ~24mpg though. Gearing, DOHC, aerodynamics...it isn't designed for MPGs.
Wasn't designed for MPGs. Metro may have a thing or two to say / do about that before this is over.
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:31 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Looks more like he should be paying you $1000 to take it, not the other way around. You might want to add a roll cage to keep the thing together. :P

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