Reports: 2014 Fiesta 1.0T EPA rated 45 mpg hwy, 32 mpg city - starts @ $17240 (sedan)

[UltArc]

Interesting points- just like the Micra!

[spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

A Cars.com running costs study offers up a factoid about the Fiesta 1.0t:

The $2,475 price premium over the base 1.6L Fiesta is not recovered in 8 years of driving @ $3.30/gal and 15k mi./yr

This is most interesting to me. And considering they are using EPA data, could prove even longer for the hypermiler if the 1.6 nets better mpg because of not dealing with turbo complications from P&G and EOC.

If looking at 2 cars, brand new, I might consider the turbo. But you also have to add in the maintenance that comes with added "complication". I've seen multiple VWs, a couple Subarus and 1 Volvo wear out their turbos and need a pricy replacement. Many diesel trucks need new or rebuilt turbos after a time as well. And we haven't begun to address the issue of oil in the intercooler and intake from poorly designed PCV systems. Pretty sure I'd still stick with the 1.6L for the simplicity of a "just" a 4cly engine.

I'd like to see what the 1.0 could do WITHOUT a turbo but chances are that the computer would call Ford and a salesman (or oil company goon) would show up immediately to either destroy the car or make me disappear forever lol. If the turbo is only for getting the car moving, highway commuters like myself would not have much need for it...

[MetroMPG]

Like driving my sadly missed 1.0L Insight with the hybrid assist disabled.

[justme1969]

Those numbers dont touch my old back in the day geo metro XFI and that was 20 years ago!
In fact it isnt much better than my project POS KIA Sephia.
That pretends to be a sports car and still hits the high 30s.
Im just not impressed I cant understand why MPG has gon DEVO with all the fancy new stuff we have now availible.
These people need to hire me mabe I can put it all together for them.

[user removed]

A neat thing about salvage auctions is there are fewer bidders for manuals. My buddies body shop has bought very few manuals, probably less than 1% of their total purchases.
Maybe I'll rent an ecoboost Fiesta for a trip to see how much better the mileage is compared to my current 2011 powershift model.

I would prefer the two door manual version with the least options, if they even offer that. Right now I think it's a 5 speed hatch 4 door.

regards
Mech

[MetroMPG]

Tim and I were talking about this again today: how does the Fiesta get a much better highway rating than the manual Mirage -- 45 vs. 42 mpg US. Consider that the Fiesta is less aerodynamic and significantly heavier (yes, I know that has a smaller impact on steady-state cruising, but the EPA tests change speeds a lot).

It must come down to much taller gearing in the Ford (or fudging the numbers again).

So I did a bit of searching. I didn't find any actual specs for gear ratios, but I did find two separate reviews of the US car which described the gearing as unusually tall:

Ford [equipped the Fiesta with] a tall fifth gear (taller than the Euro Fiesta) for ... improved EPA numbers but the decisions take a toll on performance and driveability. ... The tall top gear means frequent downshifts on moderate inclines.

Source: Review: 2014 Ford Fiesta Hatchback (With Video) | The Truth About Cars

(Then the reviewer goes on to complain about the gearing, and says he prefers the automatic. )

An American car with taller than Euro gearing! Shocking! Blasphemy even!

The Euro Mirage gets a taller final drive in the manual, following the typical pattern.

[whirledpeaz]

Originally Posted by justme1969

Those numbers dont touch my old back in the day geo metro XFI and that was 20 years ago!
In fact it isnt much better than my project POS KIA Sephia.
That pretends to be a sports car and still hits the high 30s.
Im just not impressed I cant understand why MPG has gon DEVO with all the fancy new stuff we have now availible.
These people need to hire me maybe I can put it all together for them.

While its true that your geo metro can get better mpg, There are some things to consider with the fiesta

Increased safety - 7 standard airbags
Increased comfort ( subjective )
Increased amenities - may or may not be important
Improved hp and torque 123 hp 125 tq up to 148 tq

Is it worth it? It was to me so I bought one and am happy with it thus far.

I think that if you stripped away the added safety and comfort features i.e. weight. You would end up with something that really could compete mpg-wise with a metro.

In the end its personal preference, and the n/a 1.6L can probably reach or beat the 1.0L T in terms of mpg.

[whirledpeaz]

Originally Posted by MetroMPG

Tim and I were talking about this again today: how does the Fiesta get a much better highway rating than the manual Mirage -- 45 vs. 42 mpg US. Consider that the Fiesta is less aerodynamic and significantly heavier (yes, I know that has a smaller impact on steady-state cruising, but the EPA tests change speeds a lot).

It must come down to much taller gearing in the Ford (or fudging the numbers again).

So I did a bit of searching. I didn't find any actual specs for gear ratios, but I did find two separate reviews of the US car which described the gearing as unusually tall:



(Then the reviewer goes on to complain about the gearing, and says he prefers the automatic. )

An American car with taller than Euro gearing! Shocking! Blasphemy even!

The Euro Mirage gets a taller final drive in the manual, following the typical pattern.

Here's the ratios for the 1.0L and the 1.6L n/a IB5 5spd:



This is from the factory service manual

FWIW at 80mph I'm at 3.5K rpm in 5th with a 185-60-15

[whirledpeaz]

Originally Posted by LittleFordFan

I just took delivery of my new Fiesta. This is the car I have always wished Ford would make. I can answer a few questions about the car. Generally, if something is cheap and really works, like grill shutters, and the car does not have it, there is a good reason for it.

We do have active shutters on our fiestas

[Miller88]

Originally Posted by whirledpeaz

Here's the ratios for the 1.0L and the 1.6L n/a IB5 5spd:



This is from the factory service manual

FWIW at 80mph I'm at 3.5K rpm in 5th with a 185-60-15

It's geared much shorter than the 1.6 version! Seems to be about the same as the Mirage!