Thank you

[freebeard]

At one point [citation needed] I suggested the Wiki could use some attention, it was like whistling into the wind.

Not as much fun as venting frustration, I guess.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

We can all peacefully disagree.

I guess you're going to agree with me that peacefully is not an option for those who are actually willing to pose as a know-it-all, instead of genuinely willing to help on someone else's attempts to improve something.

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Thank you for your contribution.

thehill.com: Is the antidote to bad speech more speech or more regulation?
BY JAMES D. ZIRIN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/19/21 08:00 AM EDT


Swaying public opinion is an art-form.

Yes, I can't be bothered being subtle. You either 'get' evidence - or you don't.

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by freebeard

20 to 30 years isn't that long. All the important work was done in Zeppelin's wind tunnels.

To be honest, that just shows your utter and profound ignorance of car aerodynamics.

Jaray (working in Zeppelin's wind tunnels) was important, yes, but to suggest that he did all the important work is just absurd.

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by redneck

And guess what...???

We’ll figure it out.

Believe it or not, we aren’t that dumb.


Also, should you choose to leave...

Who will be our contrarian and savior...???


Don’t be so hasty...

Think of the children...

😉




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I am not interested in playing stupid games.

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Attacking the ideas was never the problem; it was always the attacks on the person. It doesn't matter who started it (that's what children argue). Nobody would have been suspended if there had been civil discussion.

Rubbish. You appear to be assuming normal rules of discussion. But Aerohead is never wrong...ever.

No matter the evidence.

Then it becomes ridiculous.

And furthermore, it then becomes a case of of actively endorsing (through silence or agreement) stuff that is absolutely and completely wrong.

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Exactly. Just because one person believes in HHO generators and another is absolutely sure they don't work doesn't mean that they can't respectfully get along. There are a lot of things I don't agree with on this site posted by others, but I don't take it personal. That doesn't mean I keep quiet either. But if they want to keep thinking that their way of thinking is better than mine that's fine because that's what I do to them. We can all peacefully disagree.

But like I said before, this a forum, nothing more. Edgar Julian seems to believe this is some kind of an encyclopedia collaboration. There are the Ecomods and Hypermiling lists that are kind of an official reference. But not everything that's put on the forums makes it there.

Edgar Julian actually believes that a discussion group should give advice founded on fact. Bizarre, eh? What an extraordinarily notion!

"But if they want to keep thinking that their way of thinking is better than mine that's fine because that's what I do to them."

Maybe that's why the US is in the state it is currently in? (And after such a glorious technological history....)

Because people babble absolute crap like this?

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by freebeard

At one point [citation needed] I suggested the Wiki could use some attention, it was like whistling into the wind.

Not as much fun as venting frustration, I guess.

Um, why would I contribute to a discussion group Wiki when I have written literally hundreds of thousands of published words on this topic? (And words that have been endorsed by real experts in the field.)

[JulianEdgar]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I guess you're going to agree with me that peacefully is not an option for those who are actually willing to pose as a know-it-all, instead of genuinely willing to help on someone else's attempts to improve something.

If that was addressed to me, I don't actually consider myself to be "a know-it-all"- in fact I am well aware of how little I know.

That's why in lots of threads I say nothing - I know how little I know. I contribute only to threads where I am fairly confident I know something.

If only others here did the same!

[JulianEdgar]

A different topic, but all this is going to start all over again with my next book, a history of car suspension.

I am have been working on the book closely with Doug Milliken, one of the most famous names in car vehicle dynamics - and we've had lots of very robust discussions back and forth.

(And Doug has been superb to work with. As have all my other experts.)

The published results will reflect my writing input and Doug's technical input (as did my aero books with their respective tech experts) but will go against many prevailing wisdoms - especially on discussion groups.

[Shrug] - whatever! ignorance knows no bounds.

I have a huge advantage. I know I don't know a lot, so I listen very very closely to the real experts.