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Old 02-26-2014, 10:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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If the Micra comes to the states do you think it will have AC standard?

Seem not quite apples to apples, and your Mirage price is US, Micra is Canada. Mirage Canada is 12,498. CVT is $1200 option. Which would put it on top, I think maybe with the manual as well.
I redid the entire sheet into Canadian statistics, all pulled from the respective Canadian sites, other than some data from Micra Forum for the Micra. Your profile still says, Iowa, by they way. What else is not "apples to apples?"



240KKM is actually 250KKM. I also don't know conversions real well, so it could be off. Please advise on anything that needs fixed, the US chart is well executed because I am clear on USD, US fuel economy, and how fuel works with the only exception of the Canadian only car being the Canadian price. The Canadian chart can easily have errors, and I will fix when brought to my attention.

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Old 02-27-2014, 10:32 AM   #32 (permalink)
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My thinking was Nissan wouldn't sell the Mirca in US for the same $9998 with AC that it does in Canada without.

But they almost do(did) exactly that with the Versa sedan($11898 Canada no AC vs. $11990 US with AC so only $92 for AC where I expected $1000.

I also screwed up some math in my head, your post#15, I subtracted $500 from Mirage 100,000mile cost and got basically the same number as the Micra cost, I was off $1000.

Only other point to consider is the Mirage is still under warranty that whole time, but Nissan 5/60,000 miles.

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Is Nissan thinking about selling the 2015 Micra in the U.S.?

... wherein I present 5 points that seem to contradict Nissan USA's denials.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:45 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Current exchange rate puts the Micra at $8975 US, so Nissan could still add AC and have $9998 US msrp.
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Daydream: Fast forward a couple years...

Buy a used Micra
-Cheaper initial cost
Swap in a Mirage 1.2L engine
-smaller, lighter weight?, more fuel economical horse than is available in Micra
While swapping either keep Micra manual transmission
-has to be better ratio than Mirage OR
Final gear swap in Mirage transmission to
-improve ratio
Start aeromodding
-rad blocks because of ease, boat tail to compensate for hatchback shape

Win, win, win, win, win!

Dream ending, waking out of it now, wife to refuse (m)any mods due to aesthetics.

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Actually the Mirage is over 200 lbs lighter AND more areodynamic from the factory (0.28 vs 0.315) similar frontal areas too.

The Micra's advantage is price, price, price. (Oh and powaaaaaah!)
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Daydream: Fast forward a couple years...

Buy a used Micra -Cheaper initial cost
Swap in a Mirage 1.2L engine -smaller, lighter weight?, more fuel economical than what came in Micra
While swapping either keep Micra manual transmission -has to be better ratio than Mirage OR
Final gear swap in Mirage transmission to-improve ratio
Start aeromodding-rad blocks because of ease, boat tail to compensate for hatchback shape
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Actually the Mirage is over 200 lbs lighter AND more areodynamic from the factory (0.28 vs 0.315) similar frontal areas too.

The Micra's advantage is price, price, price. (Oh and powaaaaaah!)
Metro,

For clarification, I guess the target of my daydream was taking advantage of the price, price, price!

To paint it from a different angle, in a few years, both Micra and Mirage will be available used and some (unfortunately) will be in the wreckers for parts . With those assumptions one could purchase a used Micra, get a 1.2L Mirage engine from a wrecker and put it in the Micra, and do the aeromodding oneself and end up with a vehicle that has the best of both worlds, or at least the best within budget. Lighter than stock Micra (engine weight), has the most fuel economical engine from the Mirage, has better gearing, and get to play with the aeromodding oneself.

It is all a dream - I can't see myself doing any swapping, but I think it a ridiculous waste to plunk bigger than necessary engines into everything. Especially, "econobox"es or sub-compacts. Just think what the name means! At least Micra is comparatively small in physical dimensions, weight, frontal area, fuel cost, price, etc. in the car world.

Thanks for prodding my daydream. It needed some exercise to focus my thoughts.

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I was just think how the price of gas affects the payback calculations, so I thought how high does gas have to go to make the Mirage match the Micra at 100,000 miles.

Mirage would use 397 gallons less using HWY MPG in 100,000 but cost $3000 more = $7.55 gallon. The Micra pretty safe as cheapest wheels.
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Yeah - fuel prices have a huge impact on payback period.

I ran the numbers with higher Canadan fuel prices, Canadian purchase prices ($2500 difference), the more realistic "combined" mileage (who drives just highway?) and the Micra holds the lead as most economical until the 8th year of ownership when the Mirage takes over -- that's at 160,000km or 100k miles. That's for the manual. The automatic Mirage surpasses the automatic Micra 3 years sooner.



Full details/assumptions and link to spreadsheet: Micra running costs comparison vs. competitors

And if you keep the Prius C long enough, it takes the lead from the Mirage... Somewhere around year 18.

Also: it's a reasonable bet that Mitsu & GM are going to respond with cash on the hood to close the price gap when the Micra hits dealerships next month. So that'll change the math again.
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I did it a little different, but got the same - $7.552439 per gallon would make it break even at 100k miles. $30976.9972 each all said and done.

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