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Old 02-22-2009, 06:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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For the 96% efficient types.....

WE WON OUR RIGHT TO DO BUSINESS IN A LEGAL CONTEST WITH THE FTC IN A BATTLE OF THE EXPERTS?

This has been a really rocky road. It is so amazing that President Obama has
ordered all the American car makers to get another 10 miles per gallon out of
their cars, and we typically increase the mileage just with the HAFC kit by at
least that with just about anything we do when it is done right. In other
words, right now there is only ONE entity in this country that can take just
about any make and model of car and exceed the Presidents orders RIGHT NOW!

That is incredible, because in January the FTC tried to shut our main company
the supplier of the HAFC kits down. In a one of a kind expert report, the FTC
has an expert physicist that claimed that it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone (not just
us) to get more than a 4% improvement in the fuel economy of any American made
car! Because of that purported FACT, it made all our representations of getting
over 50% improvement the majority of the time impossible! This expert claimed
that about 96% of the gasoline in a vehicles is burned (leaving only 4% to
leave the tailpipe.) While this is not untrue, that does not mean that the
burned fuel is making any power on the wheels, instead most of it is being
burning in the catalytic converter UNDER the vehicle for NO mechanical benefit
to the owner of the car. This report, while technically true, was irrelevant to
the nature of the internal combustion engine process and the overall fuel
economy of a vehicle. The FTC's expert report became the justification to put
us out of business. Imagine the President of the United States and all his
expert advisors ordering the car makers to do what this FTC expert claims is
impossible. Imagine the FTC of this administration trying to shut down the
company that can give the President what he wants.

The FTC came in and on the strength of this expert got a judge, exparte (means
they ONLY heard ONE side of the story), to order that all of Dutchman
Enterprises' bank accounts be frozen and the company?s assets be confiscated
and the company be restricted from making any claims or doing any business.
They froze the accounts with hundreds of thousands of dollars in them on
Thursday, would not even allow the paychecks for the employees to be paid on
Friday. All the employees went home and the business was shut down based upon
no complaints at all to the FTC? ONLY this report from the expert that stated
that what we were claiming (and what the President was ordering to happen by
2011) was impossible. It was a disaster for us!

We tried to get the judge to at least give us access to a portion of our funds
to be able to hire a lawyer, but the FTC refused to grant us even that one
small right to counsel. So, the leader of our project tried to mount a defense
without any legal counsel. They even froze his personal accounts and the
company had nothing to operate on or use to defend itself. Our guys went to
court and the judge soon realized the injustice of it all and allowed us to
have money for our defense. We also asked if we could use some of our own money
to hire our own expert physicist to rebut their Doctor of physics. The judge
allowed us to spend $5,000 for that purpose. That turned out to be enough,
because a Harvard engineer that had been following this project volunteered to
help out for free, and it turned out, his father has a double doctorate in
materials and in physical engineering with a master?s degree in internal
combustion engine design, and is world renown with almost 100 scientific
abstracts published and books translated into most languages of the world. The
father was overseas and volunteered to come to the USA to give his opinion if
we would just pay his expenses. We also got the ex Vice President of the
Society of Automotive Engineers who designs internal combustion engines for GM,
Volvo and Saab give us a report on his opinion as well. The cost for both of
these experts came to $5,000.

So, on February 5th, after a month of no activity and frozen accounts that
almost destroyed our business, we finally were ready to be heard in opposition
to the FTC's heavy handed and totally unjustified attack on us. We had a
hearing before judge Shipp in Federal District Court. In the morning they put
on their expert who stood by his report. The judge was originally shocked to
discover that the FTC had not ever gotten even on complaint to justify this
action. Our lawyer cross examined their expert and actually got him to agree
with every single point our experts were going to prove that day. He showed him
a report from the department of Energy showing that it was possible for the fuel
efficiency of cars to be increased by 50% by just injecting hydrogen into the
combustion chamber to help the gasoline burn better. Our lawyer asked the
expert if he thought the DOE was also lying about that fact. Our lawyer pointed
out government web sites that state that vehicles are only 15%-20% efficient
while this expert was saying that vehicles are 96% efficient. Our lawyer showed
their expert facts and reports from car makers, NASA, MIT, and even the
encyclopedia to prove the folly of his assumptions. It was not a very good day
for their physicist. He was caught in defending physical principles that are,
on their face, true, but not relevant.

Then our experts explained to the judge why the report of their expert was not
relevant to the issue of fuel economy, and it became clear to the judge that
their cryogenics expert (even by his own admissions) was a poor selection on
the part of the FTC for an expert to give an opinion on internal combustion
engines. The long and short of it is that we PROVED in that courtroom on the
5th of February that our HAFC technology could actually increase the efficiency
of vehicles (in the unanimous opinions of all our experts) by at least as much
as 200% without violating even one of the laws of physics. The judge was
convinced, and ruled that our bank accounts be unfrozen and that we not be
restrained from doing any activity that we are currently doing and that we do
not, in his opinion, pose a danger to consumers.

If you want to read the whole story, here is a link to PESN.com -

Dennis Lee and Dutchman Defeat FTC

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Old 02-23-2009, 08:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow; I saw this when it was just posted and assumed it could be deleted at any second. . . ..

Did they the FTC really loose the suit against these scammers?
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out government web sites that state that vehicles are only 15%-20% efficient
while this expert was saying that vehicles are 96% efficient.
The fact you don't realize these are fundamentally different issues strains your credibility, to say the least.
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Did they the FTC really loose the suit against these scammers?
No it has not gone to trial yet, it seems that the y have been able to remove a temporary injunction the FTC issued halting advertising and freezing the company's assets.

Note: Notice they haven't claimed complete victory or a made a definitive statement they have won flat out. Claims that they have won flat out would be deceptive practices and bring further charges by the FTC.
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After a little further study of this case I figured out what happened. This wasn't a trial regarding the injunction like I thought. It was a trial on the charges leveled by the FTC. Dennis Lee chose to assert his right to a speedy trial (some thing that is unheard of in FTC cases) and caught them with their pants down. There is no doubt that the FTC is looking for an avenue for appeal.

Fortunately for the FTC the scammers reverted back to their old ways and started selling this crap again in the exact same way. This means that if the FTC looses its appeal and can't press charges for previous violations due to double jeopardy, they can press new charges based on the new violations since the trial. Sort of like if some one beats a murder rap and then goes out and kills again.
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After a little further study of this case I figured out what happened. This wasn't a trial regarding the injunction like I thought. It was a trial on the charges leveled by the FTC. Dennis Lee chose to assert his right to a speedy trial (some thing that is unheard of in FTC cases) and caught them with their pants down. There is no doubt that the FTC is looking for an avenue for appeal.

Fortunately for the FTC the scammers reverted back to their old ways and started selling this crap again in the exact same way. This means that if the FTC looses its appeal and can't press charges for previous violations due to double jeopardy, they can press new charges based on the new violations since the trial. Sort of like if some one beats a murder rap and then goes out and kills again.

I personally can't say one way or the other as far as the HAFC system...but your assumption of "scammer" might be off the mark though?

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"As for getting the Dutchman system to work, here are a few numbers for you. Out of every 100 kits Dutchman sells (and kit number 10,000 was shipped just last week), about 20% of them get the mileage results. You may exclaim that 20% totally sucks, and you'd be right. But let me toss another number at you. Of the kits that have been installed by trained installers, over 70% are getting at least the requisite 50% increase in mileage. Dutchman has realized that without the proper training, it is almost impossible to get the results from the kit, or anybody else's product for that matter. Entirely too many of the kits are being installed by the customers themselves, or their untrained mechanics. We are moving rapidly to change that scenario to involving trained mechanics in the installation more and more."

Once they get some more bugs worked out and when I have a decent car...I might go with one...but I'd install it and let someone else tune it. I would try to find out which vehicles they have the most success with and buy one of them....and start out right with it.

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...Of the kits that have been installed by trained installers, over 70% are getting at least the requisite 50% increase in mileage.
Fellow chose quite an ironic user id! These are indeed suspect numbers!!

Frankly, If the system really works, why is it being retailed as kits - when 4 out of 5 buyers won't be able to figure out how to correctly use it? Any other business would have to be boarded up if its products worked only 20% of the time. Why is this guy special?

I for myself would be glad to pay a nice premium if a car is factory fitted with such an amazing device, and gives me 50% higher FE. Why is there a total lack of enthusiasm from the auto manufacturers, even from those that are on death-bed these days?

Maybe our friend has been able to fool one judge - like the 10k gullible customers he has been able to snag. But the rest of the world knows better, and one day would also figure out how to legally and royally put an end to such things.
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