01-20-2015, 11:15 AM
|
#41 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 5,077
Thanks: 2,902
Thanked 2,560 Times in 1,586 Posts
|
Thinking about grabbing a pair of these for my wheels:
They're a bit expensive, and I'd need to remove the fairings to get the wheels off, but so long as I keep a socket kit with me it shouldn't be too much of a problem,
Also, I had the idea of moving the axle to the top side of the leaf springs to increase the maximum depth (and volume) of my box, at the expense of maximum suspension travel.
|
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
01-20-2015, 02:02 PM
|
#42 (permalink)
|
T-100 Road Warrior
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Posts: 1,921
Thanks: 3,502
Thanked 1,395 Times in 968 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecky
Thinking about grabbing a pair of these for my wheels:
They're a bit expensive, and I'd need to remove the fairings to get the wheels off, but so long as I keep a socket kit with me it shouldn't be too much of a problem,
Also, I had the idea of moving the axle to the top side of the leaf springs to increase the maximum depth (and volume) of my box, at the expense of maximum suspension travel.
|
To think outside of the box per se, instead of trying to attach the wheel pants directly to the wheel axle...you could attach them to a long arm and mount the pivot point forward of the wheels. Secure the back end to the axle with a zip tie or strap so the pant assembly won't keep lifting up as you go over bumps. You will need to allow fer some clearance on the backside of the wheel as the pant assembly will be on a different arc than the wheel assembly.
To git access to the wheel assembly, remove the strap or zip tie and lift it forward. The setup would work similar to the protection on a tire balancing machine you see at the tire stores. Easy access!
__________________
Dark Aero-The world's first aerodynamic single wheel boat tail!
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to BamZipPow For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-20-2015, 02:07 PM
|
#43 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,519
Thanks: 8,070
Thanked 8,870 Times in 7,322 Posts
|
Nice. What source? What size?
http://decorides.com/wheelpants.html
Quote:
$799 Fiberglass WHEEL PANTS (that steer) for Street Rods
....
Dimensions of the wheel pant when sitting on the floor of the garage upright, by themselves, with no wheel or tire inside it, are 25 3/4 inches tall, 40 3/4 inches long and 7 1/2 inches wide, outside dimensions.
|
|
|
|
01-20-2015, 02:18 PM
|
#44 (permalink)
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 2,442
Thanks: 1,422
Thanked 737 Times in 557 Posts
|
I'm building a passive oven to cook my tires at highway speeds. Looks exactly like those wheel pants.
Be careful.
The torsion axles mentioned in a couple of posts are worth your investigation. They can sometimes be clocked for ride height. They will certainly allow that trailer to follow the car better. They are more naturally shock absorbing to keep trailer bounce to a minimum. See BZPs ride quality issues. While not the same, keeping distractions to a minimum is good for driver attentiveness.
Trailer roll center height is also better c
Last edited by slowmover; 01-20-2015 at 02:25 PM..
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to slowmover For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-20-2015, 04:39 PM
|
#45 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 5,077
Thanks: 2,902
Thanked 2,560 Times in 1,586 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard
|
Those particular ones are on eBay for $125, and should fit 13" wheels. I'm not sure if they'll be wide enough, but that's close to the going rate for the size.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Ecky For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-20-2015, 05:55 PM
|
#46 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,251
Thanks: 24,380
Thanked 7,358 Times in 4,758 Posts
|
fairings
you could do split fairings as well
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...-t-7839-7.html
#62 (permalink)
They may not perform as well as a fully-enclosed fairing,but they don't add frontal area and tire changing is as easy as it will get.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
Last edited by aerohead; 01-20-2015 at 05:57 PM..
Reason: add data
|
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to aerohead For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-21-2015, 05:00 AM
|
#47 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,519
Thanks: 8,070
Thanked 8,870 Times in 7,322 Posts
|
$125 sound reasonable. Bandsaw them in half, solid mount the inner half and make the outer half removable with Dzus fasteners. You could adjust the width as needed in that process. Air scoops so slowmover doesn't have to worry.
aerohead --
Quote:
At 7:45 PM,in Odessa,TX,at 350-miles( 564 km )and at 63-mph ( 100 km/h )and in total darkness,the driver side trailer wheel went it's own way,with the trailer crashing onto I-20.
Four lug bolts were gone,along with the wheel/tire and dust cap from the hub.
The lead and trailing fairing for the wheel were completely destroyed and spring fairing damaged.The bellypan was breached and rear outside corner of steel wheel well displaced inward and poised like a knife-edge over where the tire tread would have been.
|
I had that happen to me in the early 90s with my Type III Notchback. I made a left turn from a stop sign and within about 150 feet all four lug nuts on the left rear evaporated leaving the wheel and tire stuffed up into the wheelwell. WTF! I walked the road and they were nowhere to be found. ??? Possibly the weirdest thing that ever happened to me.
I took one lug nut off each of the other three wheels and I wasn't even late for work.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-23-2015, 12:20 AM
|
#48 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 5,077
Thanks: 2,902
Thanked 2,560 Times in 1,586 Posts
|
I have some time, I'll see if I can score something for epic cheap. In the mean time, I found some free materials conveniently on the side of the road:
~100 square feet in 33 sheets of 24"x18"
I'm thinking of quilting it together to make the siding. At the very least, I have some more material for a belly pan for it, and for the rear of my car.
|
|
|
01-23-2015, 10:58 AM
|
#49 (permalink)
|
Aero Deshi
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Vero Beach, FL
Posts: 1,065
Thanks: 430
Thanked 669 Times in 358 Posts
|
Hey, I was looking at this and sort of asking "What If?" regarding the pressures involved here. If I'm not mistaken, there is going to be a high forming along the roof of your trailer due to it being above the curve. And below the trailer there is going to be a fairly deep low. When these 2 meet finally in close proximity, I fear a wiggly vortex (Aerohead has a better term for this, I'm too lazy to find it again) will form and be noisy while robbing you of some efficiency here. Not sure what the solution is. I'm hoping Aerohead looks at this and has some insight...(yeah I went there) as to: A) If my fear is justified. B) Is it significant. C) What can be done to mitigate.
Higher Res Version Here
My only thought on mitigation would be to build down below the rear of the trailer behind the axle. This would serve to have a greater separation between the 2 pressure zones and reduce the strength of the low.
I hope this makes sense, my area of concern is that place 12-18 inches behind the back of the trailer where the red & blue are about to meet. I have always gotten a little worried when 2 areas of differing pressures are close to each other.
I sort of used a more distant shot of an Insight for analysis in my illustration here. It is to scale top to bottom and the trailer gap is the same.
Also I might suggest that you build as far forward as possible on the front of the trailer to reduce the gap some more.
Your project looks great, I hope this helps you a bit. Where you at in FL? I'm guessing panhandle by the trees (no palms) in the background.
Last edited by ChazInMT; 02-09-2015 at 03:38 PM..
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ChazInMT For This Useful Post:
|
|
01-23-2015, 12:36 PM
|
#50 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 5,077
Thanks: 2,902
Thanked 2,560 Times in 1,586 Posts
|
Much appreciated!
I'm already as far forward as I care to go with a fixed structure. If I experience problems on the highway, perhaps a shark-tail fin on top would help?
And yeah, Tallahassee.
|
|
|
|