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Thanks Frank. I'll probably stick with the stock length too, given that info.
Got my hitch installed:
Will probably purchase a trailer and begin construction after the new year.
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12-18-2014, 04:53 AM
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The tail lights are only 4.7ft apart edge to edge, and the further the trailer sits back, the narrower it needs to be.
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but then, closing the gap with the towing vehicle gets harder - and that's where a lot of mpg's are lost pulling a trailer.
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12-19-2014, 01:14 PM
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12-20-2014, 01:46 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I like your CRX trailer and find my design converging on it, aerohead. It's an elegant solution.
This is what I'm up to now:
I decided it would be possible to keep the rounded nose so long as I didn't slope it at the top, which would require that I cut two fitting ovals. Turning angle is down to 65° if I don't set the nose back, but I'm thinking of constructing the trailer with a plywood frame, bottom, and lid, and siding that you'd use in an RV shower which would give and return to shape if it hits the bumper; plus it's waterproof. 7' length keeps the slope shallow enough that I should hopefully have reattachment of air before the tail end, and lets me cut it from two 4x8 sheets of plywood. I don't think I'll be able to easily round the top edges like you did.
What I haven't decided on yet is what to do about the fenders and underside. As I understand, extending the fenders down to cover the front of the tires should provide aero benefit, but that might be a bit ambitious for my first iteration.
EDIT: I miscalculated the volume of my design #2 in post #33, it should have been 22.5 cubic feet. Volume of this design is ~32 cubic feet.
EDIT2: Should I lower the front an inch or two, do you think? The leading edge of the cylindrical nose is within the template, but moving back, it's not.
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12-22-2014, 10:45 AM
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Here are some inexpensive torsion half axles from Northern tool. These are probably the same cheap axles from amazon.
Reliable Rubber Torsion Axle Suspension Units | Rubber Torsion Axle Suspension Units| Northern Tool + Equipment
I have towed torsion axles before, and the ride is far better than the typical spring setup.
If you fab your own and put a telescoping tongue on it for storage, you can make a couple of intermediate length holes for testing purposes.
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12-22-2014, 11:35 AM
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Ecky,
I rescind my former statement, you are using the tool correctly. However the tool that you are using is using an older version of the Aerodynamic Streamlining Template. There is a newer version which is slightly more aggressive, the AST-II.
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I will admit I didn't follow the streamlining template revision discussion closely. Should should I update the tool with a revised image?
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12-22-2014, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ecky
The more I think about it, the more I like your CRX trailer and find my design converging on it, aerohead. It's an elegant solution.
This is what I'm up to now:
I decided it would be possible to keep the rounded nose so long as I didn't slope it at the top, which would require that I cut two fitting ovals. Turning angle is down to 65° if I don't set the nose back, but I'm thinking of constructing the trailer with a plywood frame, bottom, and lid, and siding that you'd use in an RV shower which would give and return to shape if it hits the bumper; plus it's waterproof. 7' length keeps the slope shallow enough that I should hopefully have reattachment of air before the tail end, and lets me cut it from two 4x8 sheets of plywood. I don't think I'll be able to easily round the top edges like you did.
What I haven't decided on yet is what to do about the fenders and underside. As I understand, extending the fenders down to cover the front of the tires should provide aero benefit, but that might be a bit ambitious for my first iteration.
EDIT: I miscalculated the volume of my design #2 in post #33, it should have been 22.5 cubic feet. Volume of this design is ~32 cubic feet.
EDIT2: Should I lower the front an inch or two, do you think? The leading edge of the cylindrical nose is within the template, but moving back, it's not.
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I like the idea of efficient use of materials,and I think your nose will basically slip into the wake area as you've drawn it.There'll be turbulence due to the gap but I think you'll have reattachment everywhere except the belly.
With enough length,even a sharp-edged box will regain attached flow.
The front of the trailer will be embedded within the Insight's wake.Here's a shot of a 1st-gen Golf/Rabbit wake.
The gap-drag is an unknown quantity.Here you can see the drag of a Clark-Y airfoil as a function of gap location,etc..
As to the fenders and bottom,I've gone ahead and enclosed mine,with full sides,complete belly pan,and I'm about half-way with complete wheel fairings.
You might just do simple skirts down to where a belly pan with diffuser might be,and some simple fairings before and after the wheels.
Or just skip it,get a baseline for whatever you do,then later,if you add the bottom cleanup,you can compare performance to see what difference the bottom made.
On low-drag cars,the wheel drag alone can constitute half of the overall drag,so the 'cleaner' you get,these naughty bits become more and more important.
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12-23-2014, 12:00 AM
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I will admit I didn't follow the streamlining template revision discussion closely. Should should I update the tool with a revised image?
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This is the template aardvarcus linked, and the one I've been using:
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Trailer frame assembled. Here's a very rough (not to scale) sketch:
Down the road I'm hoping it'll look a bit more like this:
When I asked my father his opinion on what color I should paint it, he said that because black is the fastest color, it's probably also the most aerodynamic. Thinking of just extending the car's color scheme, though I might add a stripe somewhere.
EDIT: Top view, without the addition of fenders
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01-04-2015, 11:19 AM
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I will admit I didn't follow the streamlining template revision discussion closely. Should should I update the tool with a revised image?
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Would there be a way to have it switchable in the tool or 2 versions of the tool (one with each version). It would be interesting for comparison.
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