America Was Wrong About Ethanol - Study Shows

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I don't even know how a technical topic, such as octane and oxygenates in engines falls under the executive branch of the US to weigh in on, let alone dictate?

Perhaps the EPA, DOT, and DOE have an interest and some expertise on the subject, but I don't see why the executive branch does. Do government agencies have to go through executive branches when making recommendations, or can they submit them directly to congress?

Where I'm going with this is that we should always be restraining the authority of a single person (executive branch) as appropriate, to distribute that authority to more people.

The executive branch manages all the agencies which makes the President the equivalent of a CEO.

Congress could write very specific laws that regulate every detail but they don't. Instead they tend to write a broad goal and then leave it to the agencies to write the actual regulations to achieve that goal.

In this case Congress passed Renewable fuel standards in part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. That law requires the use of renewable fuel to increase from 11.1 billion gallons in 2009 to 36 billion gallons in 2022. It leaves the EPA, Department of Energy, and Department of Agriculture to decide how to make that happen and allows the executive branch to waive the standard if they want.

All you could ever want to know is here:
https://www.epa.gov/renewable-fuel-standard-program

[redpoint5]

So, E15 isn't suggested for technical reasons, but to solve the problem of meeting an arbitrary mandate for 36 billion gallons of "renewable" fuel?

I used to feel so fortunate to live in "modern" times rather than some backwards era, but increasingly I get the feeling that I'm closer to the caveman end of human history than the enlightened end.

Maybe they could achieve the renewables target by decreasing fuel economy, hah!

[freebeard]

I get the feeling that I'm closer to the caveman end of human history than the enlightened end.

There are some 'own goals' happening right now that will take decades to sort out. This would be an example.

[redpoint5]

Explain "own goals" in more detail if you care.

[freebeard]

Own goal
An own goal, also called self goal, is where a player performs actions that result in them or their team scoring a goal on themselves, often resulting in a point for the opposing team, such as when a soccer player kicks a ball into their own net or goal, awarding the other team a point.Wikipedia

Colloquially, shooting oneself in the foot. Dismantling society in the vain hope of staving off the evolution of liberty.

[redpoint5]

Sounds like the futile effort of deconstructionists to tear down in the name of posthumous justice. Communist experiments can occasionally be run for brief periods of time before reality asserts her will. The creator of the red pill doesn't care which color one chooses to consume, and that choice itself was an illusion.

[freebeard]

An amazing thing happened.

Only in the last few years I learned about an Elvis Presley movie called Follow That Dream.

Originally Posted by rockolaray

Pop Kwimpel (Arthur O'Connell), son Toby (Elvis Presley) and their ragtag clan of adopted orphans wind up marooned on the side of the road in Florida, so they set up a makeshift home on the beach. Soon, uptight local bureaucrat H. Arthur King (Alan Hewitt) orders them off the land, but the state government doesn't back him up. An enraged King then sets out to get his way, using manipulative social worker Alisha Claypoole (Joanna Moore) as part of his scheme to evict the Kwimpels.

An anarchist tale from 1962. Who knew? Anyway I talked to my brother this evening and he has a dispute with his neighbors over a County right-of-way between them. The neighbor [over-]planted it full of trees and my brother just plans to out-live him and clear them.

Now the Antifa crowd in Seattle and Portland haven't read Temporary Autonomous Zones by Hakim Bey, but I have.

I can set up a Pirate Utopia and cede it to my niece when she gets out of lockup.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Sounds like the futile effort of deconstructionists to tear down in the name of posthumous justice.

I see it once in a while in Brazil, even though it happens against the will of the majority. Yet I never saw anybody who actually experienced the evils of Communism to endorse it, sometimes I even see Venezuelan refugees who work at some restaurant arguing with local idiots who claim to be favorable to Nicolás Maduro

[wdb]

Another take on ethanol with some interesting twists, especially coming from where it does -- Hagerty is an enthusiast auto insurer.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinio...and-the-planet

[JSH]

Originally Posted by wdb

Another take on ethanol with some interesting twists, especially coming from where it does -- Hagerty is an enthusiast auto insurer.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinio...and-the-planet

The only thing in that article I found surprisingly was the last part about EVs being much more efficient than gas cars. Of course they had to add in that EVs have no soul and aren’t fun to drive.

Hagerty is a classic car insurer and write articles targeted at the old and conservative crowd you normally see at a classic car show.