07-13-2018, 03:41 PM
|
#11 (permalink)
|
NatGasser
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Calabasas, CA, USA
Posts: 13
CNG Civic - '11 Honda Civic GX (Compressed Natural Gas) 90 day: 41.42 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
Have you looked at checking proper engine mounting height and tried different props?
You're a little underpowered probably. I have a '96 Boston Whaler Dauntless 15 with a Honda BF60 4-stroke and get 8-9mpg. I think my boat is bigger, has a sharper bow and more deadrise (less efficient). Mine tops out at 35mph, planes at a little over 10mph and cruises comfortably at 20mph/4ish KRPM.
If you can find something with a bit more umph but not much heavier, that may change your ride significantly. What is the hull rated for?
|
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
07-15-2018, 06:53 PM
|
#12 (permalink)
|
EcoModding flying lizard
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Georgia
Posts: 743
Thanks: 618
Thanked 264 Times in 176 Posts
|
I was actually reading up on this subject earlier, and chances are boat efficiency is very closely related to airplane efficiency. One big thing I found is that jet drives are not as efficient as props. Just like planes, you will gain efficiency from large diameter 2 blade props, more blades=more turbulence.
No idea on hull design and water interference yet, haven’t looked into that enough.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrey
You're a little underpowered probably. I have a '96 Boston Whaler Dauntless 15 with a Honda BF60 4-stroke and get 8-9mpg.
|
That is really disappointing. I believe the BF60 engine is closely based on the 1st gen insight engine, and comes with lean burn.
__________________
-Kaze o tatakaimasen-
Best trip in V6: 52.0
Best tank in V6: 46.0
Best tank in Mazda: 49.9
Best tank in CBR: 61.3
Best tank in SV: 83.9
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetroMPG
You can lead a fashion-conscious horse to unusual-looking water...
|
|
|
|
07-16-2018, 10:53 PM
|
#13 (permalink)
|
AKA - Jason
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 3,601
Thanks: 325
Thanked 2,147 Times in 1,454 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hersbird
|
I would say this closer to the ecomodder solution:
|
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to JSH For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-17-2018, 12:47 AM
|
#14 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Missoula, MT
Posts: 2,668
Thanks: 305
Thanked 1,187 Times in 813 Posts
|
here is a little calculator to play with. It really depends on the type of hull. You can underpower (or throttle down) and efficient displacement hull and get great results. Just like slowing down a car because of aero drag but it's much more drastic with water. A 30 foot displacement hull has a theoretical top speed of 9.2 knots if you put 81 horsepower to it, but to go 8.3 knots on the same boat you only need 38 HP. If 5.5 knots was enough it only takes 8 HP.
Now on a 20' planing hull it takes 210 HP to reach 35 knots. Dropping down to 75 HP will go 15.2 knots. Down below 40 HP it turns into a poor displacement hull design and goes slower on the same power as the bigger heavier 30' displacement hull.
once you know the horsepower required for what speed you can figure engine efficiency and get a MPG.
Boat Speed Calculator
I also plugged in my ship the USS Carl Vinson for fun. The US Navy always says 30+ knots, but if you put enough HP to that hull it is capable of 65 knots. That would require almost 1.8 million HP. Well it doesn't have that much but it does has an advertised 260,000 HP which would be good for 37 knots (which is pushing 43 mph). I can't confirm or deny that number but physics is physics.
|
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Hersbird For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-17-2018, 03:49 AM
|
#15 (permalink)
|
Human Environmentalist
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,819
Thanks: 4,327
Thanked 4,480 Times in 3,445 Posts
|
I just wonder why boats are always cut off flat in the back rather than achieving a teardrop shape? Shouldn't the pointy end face aft? Liquid fluid dynamics must not directly mimic gas fluid dynamics.
|
|
|
07-17-2018, 01:02 PM
|
#16 (permalink)
|
AKA - Jason
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 3,601
Thanks: 325
Thanked 2,147 Times in 1,454 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by redpoint5
I just wonder why boats are always cut off flat in the back rather than achieving a teardrop shape? Shouldn't the pointy end face aft? Liquid fluid dynamics must not directly mimic gas fluid dynamics.
|
Displacement hulls do have rounded backs.
For a planing hull the design objective is to get as much of the hull out of the water as possible to reduce drag.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to JSH For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-17-2018, 03:31 PM
|
#17 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 1,171
Thanks: 352
Thanked 268 Times in 215 Posts
|
Can anybody explain how to use that calc for a 15' flat bottom? lol
__________________
"I feel like the bad decisions come into play when you trade too much of your time for money paying for things you can't really afford."
|
|
|
07-17-2018, 10:19 PM
|
#18 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
|
What's a boat?
|
|
|
07-18-2018, 09:09 AM
|
#19 (permalink)
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 2,442
Thanks: 1,422
Thanked 737 Times in 557 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel And The Wolf
What's a boat?
|
A 1969 Deuce-and-a-quarter.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to slowmover For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-19-2018, 08:34 PM
|
#20 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 202
Thanks: 27
Thanked 48 Times in 28 Posts
|
It's easy to get great fuel economy from a boat. You just need the right boat, like a canoe, kayak, or a sailboat.
|
|
|
|