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Old 05-21-2019, 03:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Counter argument seems legitimate.

But it states that the problems arise at higher rpms which exomodders never use.

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Old 05-21-2019, 07:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Do most engines have a balance shaft?
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A lot of the “modern” designs do... most straight sixes are inherently balanced though, so they may not need balance shafts...
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Do most engines have a balance shaft?
Honda started putting them in their inline 4's which were 2L and greater. I don't think the 1.5L L series have balance shafts but that may not be true for the newer turbo motors.

Again, these shafts do not balance the rotating assembly and are strictly for NVH.
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Does the G1 Insight have balance shafts?
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So how did you deal with the lube system on the balance shaft? Just yanking the shafts ought to leave holes in the bearings and lower oil pressure
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So how did you deal with the lube system on the balance shaft? Just yanking the shafts ought to leave holes in the bearings and lower oil pressure
Correct. The official unofficial way to do it is to put a bolt or plug in the hole out of the oil pump.

In my engine there's also an extra ~2 quarts of oil capacity afterward, giving you an idea of just how large and heavy these twice-engine-RPM steel shafts are.
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I tapped the oil hole for a 1/4x28 grub screw and bottomed it on the cut threads with locktite. It's not coming out without a fight. I am able to use another 1.5-2 qts of oil, which is nice when these engines can burn 1 qt in 1,000 miles. This also helps reduce oil temps.

I will pull the shafts out of my spare motor too, when I go through it.

I need to redo the pistons on the current motor because of oil usage. And the spare will be a drop in replacement to keep the car running.
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We have been keeping an eye on mileage since removing the balance shafts and installing the trans cooler to see if there is any change.

Before was ~21-22 mpg After is ~26 mpg over 3 tanks, and one of those tanks was used to haul a 16 ft fishing/ski boat!

That's a big jump!

The balance shafts are gone and that will increase mileage a little, yes, but it's bigger than that. With the shafts gone, the engine has more power available through the entire rpm range. We have noticed that the increased power is keeping the rpm's lower and allowing earlier shifts. This is why there is such a large increase in mileage. It's a cause and effect series. The shafts alone might account for 1-2 mpg, but when the whole system works better, the effects are multiplied.

Less engine drag=better economy, more power available/earlier shifts, less downshifting on hills

All of those things contribute to better economy more than just the reduction of engine drag alone, so it is compounded as it changes how the entire system works.

The whole driving experience is different with the balance shaft delete and trans cooler. It's just a pleasure to drive. There is no need to wind the engine out to 4,5 or even 6k because it has the power down low to do the same thing. Even towing the boat, there was no need to wind it out, it just goes. You couldn't even tell the boat was there at 60 mph. Just amazing. I could definitely tell when I was towing before the mods. The engine worked very hard and would downshift all the time.

The cooler is amazing, and I think it is actually helping to cool the engine coolant with the atf. Temps are ~140 in the pan according to my temp gun.
It feels noticeably smoother with the cooler atf providing more cushion in the transmission and better lubrication. Gear changes are silky smooth, and firm. I like the rav even more after driving it like this. My wife and I have tiffs over who gets to drive it, even if we are both in it at the same time. We need another one, lol.

It feels like a totally different car, period.



Another update:
It was 90* today and we were running errands with the A/C on almost the whole time. The fuel mileage still seems to be doing well.

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