Battling the non-believers

[TheEnemy]

31's are about as tall as you can go safely on the stock Jeep brakes.

No arguments with the rest, though the larger full sized trucks should be more stable than the Jeeps.

[Fat Charlie]

Hey, this thread reminds me. I haven't been to the Subaru forum in a while and I need to tell them wbout my string of 10 500+ mile tanks. Most of them just assume I'm lying.

[ecomodded]

Something odd is my lifted 4L jeep got the same mileage as my non lifted 5 year old 3L Ranger, That pissed me off, i sold the Ranger first then the jeep and bought my diesel beetle,best decision ever.

[TheEnemy]

The Jeep 4.0 inline six was one of those accidental successes, expecially when they dumped the crappy carbs they kept getting and started putting fuel injection on them. They were burned clean, more power than some v-8's, and resonably efficient for their time. Its too bad they canceled/replaced it instead of updating the engine. The 3.8 that took its place wasn't near as good by any measurement.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by ever_green

never driven a truck in my life or knew anyone who did, but i do have a 4000lbs crossover. turning off the engine while coasting? i never did it and never will. personally i don't think my/passenger/other driver's safety are worth to be put to the risk so to save a dollar that day..

Yet you were willing to spend however much you spent on that 4000 lb crossover, which is unsafe both to you, your passengers, people in other vehicles, and pedestrians. Good thinking!

[Miller88]

I won't EOC, myself. I feel it's causing more wear and tear on other parts.

If I'm coasting at 55, and I put it in 5th gear to start up to make a hill ... that's wear on the synchronizer.

Pop starting wears the clutch. It can be hard on the converters. It can damage motor mounts. Starters are $200 ... good way to wear out a starter. Ignition switches are also expensive too for newer cars with the transponders.

Safe? As long as you're not one of those drivers that taps the brakes every other second, that's not an issue. Power steering systems usually have some sort of variable pumping system - at highway speeds, there's virtually no power steering assist anyway.

[basjoos]

Originally Posted by Miller88

I won't EOC, myself. I feel it's causing more wear and tear on other parts.

If I'm coasting at 55, and I put it in 5th gear to start up to make a hill ... that's wear on the synchronizer.

Pop starting wears the clutch. It can be hard on the converters. It can damage motor mounts. Starters are $200 ... good way to wear out a starter. Ignition switches are also expensive too for newer cars with the transponders.

My original transmission and clutch lasted past 515,000 miles despite lots of EOC and clutch popping restarts. I had to replace the transmission because the 5th gear bearings had worn out and disintegrated. The clutch still had plenty of wear left on it and the synchros showed no signs of problems.

[redyaris]

Originally Posted by Miller88

I won't EOC, myself. I feel it's causing more wear and tear on other parts.

If I'm coasting at 55, and I put it in 5th gear to start up to make a hill ... that's wear on the synchronizer.

Pop starting wears the clutch. It can be hard on the converters. It can damage motor mounts. Starters are $200 ... good way to wear out a starter. Ignition switches are also expensive too for newer cars with the transponders.

Safe? As long as you're not one of those drivers that taps the brakes every other second, that's not an issue. Power steering systems usually have some sort of variable pumping system - at highway speeds, there's virtually no power steering assist anyway.

I have only once driven a car that had a synchro fail and that was on a car bought at auction for $2200 with less than 100,000 km on the odometer. The synchro that failed was the second gear synchro and that was after 360,000 km. I have never had to replace a clutch in any vehicle I have owned even the ones that where EOC'd. Bump starting in 5th gear causes less wear than starting out in 1st gear. Bump starting causes less damage than starting from rest. the only ignition swithes I have changed are ones that had the key being warn out. the swithes still worked!

[ecomodded]

A lot of the time when someone blows their transmission or clutch its because of a error in shifting or clutch throttle work.
I blew a transmission by accidentally bumping the auto shifter into 2nd, at high speed, clang clang clang that was the end of that beater car.
Clutches more often than not break when you demand to much of them not too little.
Miller88 you did make me nervous with your convincing post haaha.
Glad some other members chimed in to relieve my unneeded concern.