Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-12-2015, 09:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 148

VanDelay - '89 Ford Econoline E-150 XL
90 day: 15.93 mpg (US)

Old White Civic - '98 Honda Civic LX, AT
90 day: 33.18 mpg (US)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 50 Times in 43 Posts
Mount the Kamback to the rear doors and leave its rear end open. When the doors swing open, the KB swings too.

Ford offered smaller mirrors but they're rare. That's because a vehicle this big NEEDS good mirrors or a camera setup. These mirrors will stay for now. I don't want holes in the doors and I like clean, subtle mods. I realize the KB will not be subtle but I'm playing with a couple designs to keep it as cleanly integrated as possible.

I'm WAY into the big van. It's SUPER convenient and only becoming more so as I add to it. A full camper interior is in the works with a propane stove and furnace, sink, 2 beds, a DC fridge, solar power...The plan is to hit the PanAm highway and see central and south America a year or so after I graduate

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to mwilliamshs For This Useful Post:
BamZipPow (04-13-2015)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 04-12-2015, 09:53 AM   #22 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
The_Jed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Pekin, IL
Posts: 149

Crown Vic - '99 Ford Crown Victoria Base (P74)
90 day: 24.1 mpg (US)

Turtle - '98 Subaru Outback Sport
90 day: 30.53 mpg (US)
Thanks: 21
Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts
Nice.
Are you on Expedition Portal?
__________________
'99 Crown Victoria
'97 Impreza 2.2, 5-speed
'98 Impreza Outback Sport 2.2, 5-speed
'05 Outback 3.0R (wife's)
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 09:55 AM   #23 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 148

VanDelay - '89 Ford Econoline E-150 XL
90 day: 15.93 mpg (US)

Old White Civic - '98 Honda Civic LX, AT
90 day: 33.18 mpg (US)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 50 Times in 43 Posts
Yeah I am on expedition portal
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 12:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
oldtamiyaphile's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,510

UFI - '12 Fiat 500 Twinair
Team Turbocharged!
90 day: 40.3 mpg (US)

Jeep - '05 Jeep Wrangler Renegade
90 day: 18.09 mpg (US)

R32 - '89 Nissan Skyline

STiG - '16 Renault Trafic 140dCi Energy
90 day: 30.12 mpg (US)

Prius - '05 Toyota Prius
Team Toyota
90 day: 50.25 mpg (US)

Premodded - '49 Ford Freighter
90 day: 13.48 mpg (US)

F-117 - '10 Proton Arena GLSi
Pickups
Mitsubishi
90 day: 37.82 mpg (US)

Ralica - '85 Toyota Celica ST
90 day: 25.23 mpg (US)

Sx4 - '07 Suzuki Sx4
90 day: 32.21 mpg (US)

F-117 (2) - '03 Citroen Xsara VTS
90 day: 30.06 mpg (US)
Thanks: 325
Thanked 452 Times in 319 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by mwilliamshs View Post
Ford offered smaller mirrors but they're rare. That's because a vehicle this big NEEDS good mirrors or a camera setup.
I'd think about remaking the supports from aluminium reshaped into an aero foil, and new mirrors from something more modern, possibly a Jeep Wrangler or later Vanagon come to mind, both are reasonably big but have a fairly rounded front end.
__________________






  Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 02:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,557
Thanks: 8,092
Thanked 8,881 Times in 7,329 Posts
Quote:
Mount the Kamback to the rear doors and leave its rear end open. When the doors swing open, the KB swings too.
I'd thought about suggesting that, but the hinge line in that picture you posted looks to be 4-6" in from the corner. Wouldn't it need overlapping plates or some other solution? My thought was to make a clamshell that replaced the doors with shelving inside each half, but then you'd have to seal an edge that's twice as long as the doors, so there wouldn't be a lot of dust and exhaust infiltrating.

How about a hinge-line from the bumper ends to a bracket on the drip-rail?

There's whole threads on rear-view mirrors. I like these:

  Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 04:31 PM   #26 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 568
Thanks: 1
Thanked 73 Times in 58 Posts
I have a '92 E-150 conversion van, same basic model shown above, but with a high top cap.http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...=0CIEBEDMoXTBd

Its mirrors could be smaller, and the Corplast undertray idea is very promising since the stock belly of this van is an aerodynamic abortion. Or at least add a garden edging air dam. Pizza pan wheel covers would be s snap to install, nestled inside the aluminum wheel rim lips.

My brother has a Ford F-150 with the same 5.8 liter engine, so it's mechanically the same. He says he gets MUCH better highway fuel economy by changing the ignition timing, i.e., ~18-19 mpg vs. ~13-14 mpg previously, so look into that simple mod.

The E-150 van may have better (less bad) aerodynamics than the F-150 pickup truck.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2015, 05:40 PM   #27 (permalink)
Cyborg ECU
 
California98Civic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Coastal Southern California
Posts: 6,299

Black and Green - '98 Honda Civic DX Coupe
Team Honda
90 day: 66.42 mpg (US)

Black and Red - '00 Nashbar Custom built eBike
90 day: 3671.43 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2,373
Thanked 2,172 Times in 1,469 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by mwilliamshs View Post
...The picture aerohead posted, is that just my wake as-is, or is that the shape a tail should have, etc? ...
It is the shape a tail would take, not the shape of your wake.



__________________
See my car's mod & maintenance thread and my electric bicycle's thread for ongoing projects. I will rebuild Black and Green over decades as parts die, until it becomes a different car of roughly the same shape and color. My minimum fuel economy goal is 55 mpg while averaging posted speed limits. I generally top 60 mpg. See also my Honda manual transmission specs thread.




Last edited by California98Civic; 04-12-2015 at 05:45 PM.. Reason: added images
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to California98Civic For This Useful Post:
aerohead (04-14-2015), BamZipPow (04-13-2015)
Old 04-13-2015, 03:43 AM   #28 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
The_Jed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Pekin, IL
Posts: 149

Crown Vic - '99 Ford Crown Victoria Base (P74)
90 day: 24.1 mpg (US)

Turtle - '98 Subaru Outback Sport
90 day: 30.53 mpg (US)
Thanks: 21
Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts
Found you on Expedition Portal. I didn't realize your van had the good ol' 300 six. That's probably one of my top 5 all time favorite engines.

Several years ago I happened to buy a '94 F150 with a 4.9, 5-speed combo with 200,000+ miles and it was buttery smooth. It ran better and more smoothly than the wife's 4 year old mini van.

I drove it like an 18 wheeler; never above 2,500 rpm at MOST and usually around 1,200-1,500. I miss that truck. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on your thread here and on E.P.

__________________
'99 Crown Victoria
'97 Impreza 2.2, 5-speed
'98 Impreza Outback Sport 2.2, 5-speed
'05 Outback 3.0R (wife's)
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 05:25 AM   #29 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
The_Jed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Pekin, IL
Posts: 149

Crown Vic - '99 Ford Crown Victoria Base (P74)
90 day: 24.1 mpg (US)

Turtle - '98 Subaru Outback Sport
90 day: 30.53 mpg (US)
Thanks: 21
Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by mwilliamshs View Post
Yeah I am on expedition portal
What about Grassroots Motorsports? The guys over there would LOVE this van and with your low buck repairs and upgrades you'd fit right in.
__________________
'99 Crown Victoria
'97 Impreza 2.2, 5-speed
'98 Impreza Outback Sport 2.2, 5-speed
'05 Outback 3.0R (wife's)
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2015, 01:23 PM   #30 (permalink)
Master Novice
 
elhigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SE USA - East Tennessee
Posts: 2,314

Josie - '87 Toyota Pickup
90 day: 29.5 mpg (US)

Felicia - '09 Toyota Prius Base
90 day: 52.44 mpg (US)
Thanks: 427
Thanked 616 Times in 450 Posts
I like the 300 and wouldn't change it even if I could, were it me making the decisions. I'm a sucker for old school tech, and a stout truck six like that is right in my wheelhouse. It isn't sophisticated and it isn't especially powerful, but it is dogged and relentless, and that appeals.

The big clunky hinges are an advantage in one way: they provide ready-made mounting points for your tail if you decide to add one. If you can get the hinge pins out, you could replace them with slightly longer ones and install tail panels on those hinges, making it so that you could fold the tail flush against the rear of the vehicle for in-city use or garaging. You could even feasibly still open the doors partway without disturbing the deployed tail.

The underside of your van is an aerodynamic mess and you will reap benefits either from an airdam as you've already discussed, or from adding a belly pan and skirts. It might also make the vehicle quieter, but I'm only guessing there.

I remember working under a 15-pass I used to drive for work, once I was under the vehicle it opened up and there was quite a bit of space in places, next to none in others. Very craggy and uneven.

__________________




Lead or follow. Either is fine.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to elhigh For This Useful Post:
BamZipPow (04-13-2015)
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com