Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-28-2008, 12:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
EV test pilot
 
bennelson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Oconomowoc, WI, USA
Posts: 4,435

Electric Cycle - '81 Kawasaki KZ440
90 day: 334.6 mpg (US)

S10 - '95 Chevy S10
90 day: 30.48 mpg (US)

Electro-Metro - '96 Ben Nelson's "Electro-Metro"
90 day: 129.81 mpg (US)

The Wife's Car - Plug-in Prius - '04 Toyota Prius
90 day: 78.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 17
Thanked 663 Times in 388 Posts
Car-Pool Paradox - Drops MPG, yet saves money!

I took my wife's car over to the auto parts store tonight.

Her fuel gauge was low, so I filled up the tank on the way home.

I was really suprised at her fuel economy on this last tank of gas. It was only 23 MPG, usually it is close to 30.

Is something wrong with the car? I don't think so. I think CARPOOLING is hurting her fuel economy.

Recently, she started carpooling with a co-worker. The co-worker lives about 3 miles away. They always meet at the co-worker's house (it's in the right direction for work) and take turns driving to make the cost of gas fair.

That means that HALF THE TIME, my wife drives 3 miles (on a cold engine) and parks. Then she is back there at the end of the day (with the engine cold again) and drives 3 miles home.

A while back, I used the ScanGauge to check on the fuel economy on short trips. On trips that short, with a cold engine, the car gets 12 miles per gallon. That in itself is a good reason not to run to the grocery store just to get ice cream.

I think that the short drives to the co-worker's house are killing her fuel economy, BUT THAT'S NOT A BAD THING. She is only USING HALF AS MUCH FUEL in total! (Because she is only driving half the time!)

I think this contradiction is similar to when METROMPG said how bicycling was hurting his fuel economy.

Remember, it's HOW much gas you use total, that you pay for at the pump.

Yep, our fuel economy is going down....Yet so is our cost of gas!

Once the Electro-Metro is finished to the point of being safe and street legal, she can use that to drive to the co-worker's on days when the co-worker is driving. On those days she will use ZERO gas to go 50 miles round trip for work.

-Ben

__________________


300mpg.org Learn how to BUILD YOUR OWN ELECTRIC CAR CHEAP
My YouTube Videos

Last edited by bennelson; 08-28-2008 at 12:06 AM..
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 08-28-2008, 12:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
Short trips are bad. Short trips in cold weather are worse than bad.

Remember my mom's 14 mpg average in a 4-cyl automatic Camry? Yikes.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...-97-a-847.html
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2008, 12:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ryland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903

honda cb125 - '74 Honda CB 125 S1
90 day: 79.71 mpg (US)

green wedge - '81 Commuter Vehicles Inc. Commuti-Car

Blue VX - '93 Honda Civic VX
Thanks: 867
Thanked 434 Times in 354 Posts
Think of it as mpg per person, that is why a city bus full of people is using less gas at 7mpg then if each of those people were in their own car.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2008, 01:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
Depends on the Day
 
RH77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kansas City Area
Posts: 1,761

Teggy - '98 Acura Integra LS
Sports Cars
90 day: 32.74 mpg (US)

IMA - '10 Honda Insight EX
Team Honda
90 day: 34.76 mpg (US)

Tessie - '06 Acura TSX Base
90 day: 28.2 mpg (US)
Thanks: 31
Thanked 41 Times in 35 Posts
Exactly!

It's the total fuel consumed that makes the difference. To work, I used to take a longer route that increased FE, only to realize that it used more fuel per trip. To those out there in the FE bragging rights arena: use less fuel. Period.

On a side note, my Wife carpools and saves us loads on both fuel and vehicle wear-and-tear. I'm not a big fan of the co-driver's Alero, but MPG per person is what it is...

RH77
__________________
“If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research” ― Albert Einstein

_
_
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2008, 03:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
Pokémoderator
 
cfg83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 5,864

1999 Saturn SW2 - '99 Saturn SW2 Wagon
Team Saturn
90 day: 40.49 mpg (US)
Thanks: 439
Thanked 532 Times in 358 Posts
bennelson -

Yeah, ya gotta keep multiplying by the number of people in the car. Make it a Mantra :

I'm not getting 31 MPG, I'm getting 62 MPG!!!
I'm not getting 31 MPG, I'm getting 62 MPG!!!
I'm not getting 31 MPG, I'm getting 62 MPG!!!
I'm not getting 31 MPG, I'm getting 62 MPG!!!


Or .....

The car's getting 31 MPG but we're getting 62 MPG!!!
The car's getting 31 MPG but we're getting 62 MPG!!!
The car's getting 31 MPG but we're getting 62 MPG!!!
The car's getting 31 MPG but we're getting 62 MPG!!!



CarloSW2
__________________

What's your EPA MPG? Go Here and find out!
American Solar Energy Society
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2008, 09:14 AM   #6 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
BBsGarage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: My Own Private Idaho
Posts: 94

BBsRide - '06 Toyota Corolla CE
90 day: 31.64 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
I found the same results when I started to car pool.
When it is my turn to not drive, the ratio between highway and local miles gets turned around for that week and I am driving way more local miles then highway.

__________________
Thanks.

Bill
SippingFuel
Check out BBsGarage
Picture ur Pet


  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Car and Driver magazine ecomods a Pinto: MPG up +25% MetroMPG EcoModding Central 34 01-29-2014 08:00 PM
54.2 after lowering car, 4 mpg gain me and my metro Success Stories 43 10-23-2013 07:44 PM
EcoModding for Beginners: Getting great gas mileage. SVOboy EcoModding Central 55 08-21-2012 12:34 AM
How much more MPG would you get lowering your car 2 inches? blackjackel EcoModding Central 26 10-16-2008 04:11 PM
Active grill block idea holypaulie Aerodynamics 17 10-13-2008 10:31 AM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com