Cars overloaded with electronics

[Piwoslaw]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I guess this beauty may satisfy anyone willing to have only the strictly essential electronics to make a car work. Well, nowadays in some markets it's already fitted with ABS brakes... Spotted in my hometown.

My favorite version of this beauty

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Gone are the days of mechanically-governed Diesel engines, but sometimes there are other things about modern engines which annoy me, and make me understand perfectly why trucks with a more old-school "agricultural" engine retain a die-hard fanbase...

[redpoint5]

Old vehicles were underpowered and inefficient. Avoidance of technology is a strange reason to settle for underpowered and inefficient vehicles.

[freebeard]

Not all older vehicles.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Not all older vehicles.

I'm specifically saying they didn't burn fuel efficiently. The compression ratios were low, there was no variable timing, there was no precise metering of fuel and adjustment based on atmospheric variables, poor fuel atomization, etc, etc.

That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the aesthetics and nostalgia of older vehicles, but there's a reason they aren't making them anymore.

"There are no solutions, only tradeoffs". The price one pays for something that performs better is increased complexity. Occasionally things get more complex without an overall benefit, like the tax code. This is why we don't want politicians making engineering decisions; they don't even make good decisions within the domain in which they are ostensibly skilled.

[freebeard]

The price one pays for something that performs better is increased complexity.

The best part is no part.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

The best part is no part.

The best part is multifunctional. The functions must be performed, however.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

The best part is no part.

The best part is multifunctional. The functions must be performed, however.

The whole reason why AI holds great promise is multifunctionality. A thing that solves a great number of problems. The complexity of AI enables the ability to be agile.

Our species thrives because it invested in neural synaptic connections over other metrics like size, or multiplying identical drones.

Complex creatures figure out how to minimalize, not the other way around.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

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Chrysler sells the TSM to dealerships along with $1,000 scan tools that require a $1,500 yearly subscription.

Diagnostic information could easily be shown on the display that all vehicles have these days, but no, we've got to buy proprietary tools and expensive subscriptions to gain access to that information.

The customer should be able to do something as common as add a key without having to take the vehicle to a dealership and pay $350. I duplicated the key on my wife's Pontiac for $4.

Don't know about Chrysler's but our service software costs the company tens of millions per year to keep up to date and working. That cost gets passed on to dealers and other mechanics in the form of a yearly subscription.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

Don't know about Chrysler's but our service software costs the company tens of millions per year to keep up to date and working. That cost gets passed on to dealers and other mechanics in the form of a yearly subscription.

Making troubleshooting more difficult than it needs to be does sound expensive.