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Old 02-27-2018, 03:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
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How does one's occupation allow them to get around emissions testing?
Being an engineer makes it easier for him to get his mods certified as roadworthy, or to get a conditional registration as an experimental deal.

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I believe it was local news that said half of people who technically fail their smog test get approved by the technician anyhow. Something about sympathizing with people and their junk cars motivates them to cut them a break.

Only 3 counties in Oregon require DEQ checks; mine are registered outside of those counties.
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Smog checks and roadworthy inspections are still not fully regulamented in my country, but whenever it had been implemented it failed. Well, back here it's highly unlikely that a tester would "sympathize" with the owner of some random jalopy, since it's been basically another cash-cow for the government...
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Being an engineer makes it easier for him to get his mods certified as roadworthy, or to get a conditional registration as an experimental deal.
I'm an engineer and I work for a vehicle manufacturer. Nobody at DEQ (our emission testers) care what you do for a living. If your car fails the test it fails the test. Engineers also don't get conditional registrations for experimental vehicles.

Vehicle manufactures can get plates for test vehicles that can only be used for specific and well documented testing.
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I believe it was local news that said half of people who technically fail their smog test get approved by the technician anyhow. Something about sympathizing with people and their junk cars motivates them to cut them a break.

Only 3 counties in Oregon require DEQ checks; mine are registered outside of those counties.
Maybe that is why DEQ is going to self service inspections. You plug the cord into the OBDII port and hit the start button. The computer does the rest and gives you a pass or fail. Hard to sweet talk or bribe a computer.
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Hard to sweet talk or bribe a computer.
Easy to manipulate the output though. Seems like the type of system that will encourage a new $20 cheat device to hit the online market.

The whole system will be obsolete in 20 years when most vehicles sold are EV, and the remaining ICE pose little impact to the atmosphere.
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Easy to manipulate the output though. Seems like the type of system that will encourage a new $20 cheat device to hit the online market.

The whole system will be obsolete in 20 years when most vehicles sold are EV, and the remaining ICE pose little impact to the atmosphere.
You can do the same thing today by modifying the ECU. OBDII is open source.

Selling a OBD cheat device would be a good way to get the EPA's notice. Clearly illegal and really easy to prove.
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Easy to manipulate the output though. Seems like the type of system that will encourage a new $20 cheat device to hit the online market.

The whole system will be obsolete in 20 years when most vehicles sold are EV, and the remaining ICE pose little impact to the atmosphere.
Yep, remember when people (like Bill Gates, et.al.) used to "spoof" the telephone call "tones" to make 'toll-free' phones calls. Just a handheld gizmo box!
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I'm an engineer and I work for a vehicle manufacturer. Nobody at DEQ (our emission testers) care what you do for a living. If your car fails the test it fails the test. Engineers also don't get conditional registrations for experimental vehicles.

Vehicle manufactures can get plates for test vehicles that can only be used for specific and well documented testing.
Different jurisdictions might have different approaches to the same topic anyway...
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Different jurisdictions might have different approaches to the same topic anyway...
Not in the USA. Exceptions to emission laws for test vehicles are handled at the Federal level by the EPA. You need a special vehicle ID number and the vehicle can never be sold for road use.

If you plan to do it legally at least.

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