China Overtook U.S. In Monthly Electric-Car Sales Two Months Ago

[Daox]

This is an interesting read. I didn't know that China bought that many cars, but it makes sense... Ah well, I'm glad to see them pushing forward with something other than smog spewing vehicles.

China Overtook U.S. In Monthly Electric-Car Sales Two Months Ago

[Cobb]

China has 4 times the population of the US too.

[mechman600]

80% of China's electricity is produced with coal vs 44% in the US. EVs are dirtier than ICEs in China.

In the US, where about 44% of electricity comes from coal, on average, 0.61 kg of CO2 is produced to generate 1 kW·h of electricity in 2008, according to the Department of Energy; in China, the number is at least 1 kg CO2 per kW·h. So the Leaf will cause 18 kg of CO2 emissions running 100 km in today’s China.

Compare this to a traditional, gasoline-powered vehicle, say, a new 1.6 L Toyota Corolla with automatic transmission, one of the best-selling cars in China. According to official data, it consumes 7.2 liters of gasoline running 100 km under average driving conditions. Approximately, burning 1 liter of gasoline produces 2.4 kilos of CO2, and the Corolla thus discharges 17.3 kilos of CO2 per 100 km.

The Leaf Will Not Be So Green in China | ChinaAutoWeb

[darcane]

Originally Posted by Cobb

China has 4 times the population of the US too.

And a larger economy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/offici...150936444.html

[Astro]

Originally Posted by mechman600

80% of China's electricity is produced with coal vs 44% in the US. EVs are dirtier than ICEs in China.

When a ICE car is purchased it will probably be on the road for 20 years or more. All the time it gets more worn out and more polluting.
Whereas electric vehicles may start out with comparable pollution levels depending on how clean the electricity grid is but if the government also starts cleaning up its power generation then all those electric cars become less polluting.
I imagine it is easier to build wind turbines than it is to convince hundreds of millions of people to spend money to make their ICE vehicles less polluting.

[mechman600]

Originally Posted by Astro

When a ICE car is purchased it will probably be on the road for 20 years or more. All the time it gets more worn out and more polluting.
Whereas electric vehicles may start out with comparable pollution levels depending on how clean the electricity grid is but if the government also starts cleaning up its power generation then all those electric cars become less polluting.
I imagine it is easier to build wind turbines than it is to convince hundreds of millions of people to spend money to make their ICE vehicles less polluting.

This is true. But China cleaning up their grid? I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

[Astro]

Not holding my breath. but it is possible
If China starts making green grid technology for the rest of the world then it could result it being used in China too. Once they start producing something in quantity it will not only be sold cheaply to other countries but may also be used locally. Not because it is green but because it is cheap and available.
Much better that importing dirty coal from us crazy Aussies who are madly digging up our back yard and selling it to the cheapest bidder.

[darcane]

Originally Posted by mechman600

This is true. But China cleaning up their grid? I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

China is pushing hard to have Thorium power plants soon.

And pushing Wind turbine installations.
Note that they already have more wind turbine capacity than any other country by a wide margin.


You can stop holding your breath now.
(Granted coal is still bad there...)