The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[NeilBlanchard]

More debunking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcmCBetoR18

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Ideas aren't easily contained. I suppose it's possible for someone to invent something disruptive, only to sell it to someone else who is unscrupulous, and never utter about it again to anyone, but it's exceedingly unlikely.

If I were an oil company and someone invented something that would put me out of business, I'd buy that thing and then get wealthy off it. If there was a technology that doubles fuel efficiency of an engine, it would hold enormous profit potential even for someone making a living off of selling oil.

Basically the only way for a secret to exist between 2 people is for one of them to be dead. Large conspiracies are nearly impossible to accomplish.

Regarding drug companies; we know practically nothing about human biology. Mapping the human genome is a recent development, and we know practically nothing about it. Understanding physiology is even more difficult than the insanely difficult task of understanding global climate change.

From time to time,people will ask about the truck,and we'll get into a discussion about mpg,and invariably,they'll bring up experimental,150-mpg,'pre-production' Ford's that were never meant for sale,which fell through the cracks,that their neighbor got a hold of by mistake.
Phil Donahue had the President of General Motors on his show in the late-1960s,and the topic came up about 'secret' technology that had been intentionally withheld from production to force us all to spend more on fuel.
He had heard all the urban legends as well,and had to laugh them off,mentioning something like,when you look into materials technology and thermodynamics these claims cannot withstand scientific scrutiny.
I have a book with twelve-100 mpg carburetors in it,from Lindsey Publishing.
They're real,but the rub is,that for them to work,you must:
*push the car up to 35-mph.
*start the engine.
*drive the car at a steady 35-mph.
*the car won't go faster.
*the car won't go slower.
*the car won't idle.
*however,if you can maintain 35-mph,then you'll see 100-150 mpg,in a V-8 Ford or Mercury of say,the 1950s.

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by aerohead

From time to time,people will ask about the truck,and we'll get into a discussion about mpg,and invariably,they'll bring up experimental,150-mpg,'pre-production' Ford's that were never meant for sale,which fell through the cracks,that their neighbor got a hold of by mistake.
Phil Donahue had the President of General Motors on his show in the late-1960s,and the topic came up about 'secret' technology that had been intentionally withheld from production to force us all to spend more on fuel.
He had heard all the urban legends as well,and had to laugh them off,mentioning something like,when you look into materials technology and thermodynamics these claims cannot withstand scientific scrutiny.
I have a book with twelve-100 mpg carburetors in it,from Lindsey Publishing.
They're real,but the rub is,that for them to work,you must:
*push the car up to 35-mph.
*start the engine.
*drive the car at a steady 35-mph.
*the car won't go faster.
*the car won't go slower.
*the car won't idle.
*however,if you can maintain 35-mph,then you'll see 100-150 mpg,in a V-8 Ford or Mercury of say,the 1950s.

The caveats are often swept under the rug when discussion of these inventions comes up. But, has it ever piqued your interest how they work? Those plans inspired me to go into science and engineering back in the 70s.

Also, inventions are never created in a vacuum. If you don't invent it, and it has value, someone else will.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Xist

I consider medical science to be one of the least established sciences.

Thomas Malthus,in his book,'On Population',commented that he considered Political Science the least scientific,and most prone to mischief.
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Dr.Michael Gregor has illuminated some otherwise criminal behavior among medical doctors,however in the context of their formal medical training,they're obligated to practice medical malpractice in order not to be prosecuted for medical malpractice.
It's changing,as of last year,but it's been a long haul.
If you want to die though,a hospital is a great place go.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

"Thus conventional “development” is best regarded as a form of legitimized plunder"
Some great stuff on Resilience.org these days.
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2...o-think-about/

It all seems to fall under the rubric of 'grow the economy.'
Many bedfellows!

[oil pan 4]

I don't see how there is any way a vehicle that looks like a big pickup and driven like a normal vehicle can get anywhere near 150mpge.
The best that the ranger and S10 electeic converts do is a little shy of 100mpge.

Originally Posted by sendler

If the USA electrified all personal transportation and gained an efficiency improvement of 2/3, we would reduce primary energy consumption by only 10%.
.
Embodied energy. Scale.
.
Such a long way to go. Before liquid fuel becomes prohibitively expensive to build the things we need to ease more gently down from overshoot.

IMO liquid fuels are already too expensive.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Old Tele man

The OIL COMPANIES (and railroad and telephone companies) were "broken-up" for a reason -- MONOPOLIES -- maybe it needs to be done again?

Earth may have run out of Theodore Roosevelts and Ida Tarbells.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

I grew up eating locust and I can say that it is yummy.

On one of the 'Dual Survivors' episodes,Cody Lundin mentioned one specific 'grasshopper' which was toxic,even with it's entrails removed.
Be careful!

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

Also, inventions are never created in a vacuum. If you don't invent it, and it has value, someone else will.

Exactly. Discoveries are inevitable. If Einstein hadn't developed his brilliant theories, someone else shortly after would have.

At best you can briefly delay scientific discovery / technological advances. The best way to delay advances is to make everyone poor so they don't have free time and don't have excess resources to spend experimenting.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

IMO liquid fuels are already too expensive.

... and yet people are abandoning their sedans to purchase the largest vehicles they can afford, which happen to be quite large. My sister just bought a brand new $40k Toyota 4Runner. She "needs" it because she just had her first baby.

Expensive is subjective.

[oil pan 4]

IMO new vehicles also cost too much.

In the 1980s I was riding in the back of a 1969 chevy impala and didn't die.