The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

I built my own charging infrastructure.
Not waiting for the stupid/useless government to screw it up.

Too bad for Australia. But you can only reap what you sew.
They have the resources, raw materials, should have the skill and the 800lb gorilla (the USA) to help them if they needed it.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by Xist

I did not see anything novel in that PDF, but it was like reading a textbook. Tax carbon, subsidize electric cars, and accelerate installation of wind and solar farms, as well as nuclear and natural gas. Replace petroleum products with biomass, biofuel, and hydrogen. Install 10,000 carbon sequestration sites and reforest an area the size of Brazil.

Except people probably want rooftop solar.

OK I will also add to my list, roof top solar support.
Most of those fixes are feel good non solutions.
Most carbon sequester projects are a waste of time, money energy, chemicals and more money. The only carbon sequestration that would have worked was blocked by nimby useful idiots.
The one where the Colorado gas company wanted to seperate CO2 from natural gas and pipe it to depleted west texas oil fields.
But the nimby idiots got their way and the CO2 gets blown off into the atmosphere.

With cheap nuclear power electric cars won't need government welfare. If electric power is generated by more expensive wind, solar and natural gas then it's going to lessen the advantage electric cars have.

[Xist]

What was that project? When I searched I just found https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...sil-fuel-power.

That project is continuing healthily: https://www.usnews.com/news/national...h-no-emissions

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

EV's are pretty much accepted here, and he charging infrastructure is building up fast.

The thing that is holding back the rate at which new charging stations are built is the fact that the current ones are nowhere near full use. They are built in anticipation of future increased use. More charging stations now are simply not necessary. They will be in the future, but there is no reason to expect that the market suddenly stops responding to demand.

Once EV sales go up, finding local charging stations ceases to be a problem.

Fast charging is a farce. In fact, I'll call it Farce Charging from now on.

It isn't fast. Fast is beginning "refuelling", walking inside to use the restroom, and walking back outside just as the vehicle completes "refueling". 3 minutes is fast; an hour is not.

Since it is not fast, the problem of availability is compounded. The chargers sit empty 99% of the time, but then when holiday travel has everyone using them, a long queue forms as the overloaded infrastructure slowly completes each charging session.

There's no money to be had in charging infrastructure, because as I said, it sits unused 99% of the time. People don't want to spend more than they would for gasoline for a product that takes an hour to dispense.

Fast charging will have to actually be fast for widespread adoption of EVs to occur. Either that, or gasoline will have to get extremely expensive.

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Unfortunately when you look at the problem of battery storage in scale, the world's largest battery in Australia makes a contribution that is barely visible as noise at the bottom of a chart that only has 2 GW peaks. NY State or California each use 30 GW at times. And this is before the required 4X conversion that will be needed as oil supply tips over the top soon.
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[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Fast charging is a farce. In fact, I'll call it Farce Charging from now on.

It isn't fast. Fast is beginning "refuelling", walking inside to use the restroom, and walking back outside just as the vehicle completes "refueling". 3 minutes is fast; an hour is not.

Since it is not fast, the problem of availability is compounded. The chargers sit empty 99% of the time, but then when holiday travel has everyone using them, a long queue forms as the overloaded infrastructure slowly completes each charging session.

There's no money to be had in charging infrastructure, because as I said, it sits unused 99% of the time. People don't want to spend more than they would for gasoline for a product that takes an hour to dispense.

Fast charging will have to actually be fast for widespread adoption of EVs to occur. Either that, or gasoline will have to get extremely expensive.

I wasn't about fast charging but local charging points. We are nearing the point that you don't have to look for charging points, there will almost always be one close to wherever you'd like to park.
So unless you travel beyond battery range you won't need fast charging anyway. And if you do, there's no point in waiting longer than you need to reach the destination.

For me, I need a break after 2 hours of driving. A quarter of an hour, half an hour. That would give me a reasonable extention to the range. I might need more charge than that, but up to that point it is a no loss situation.

[redpoint5]

EVs are excellent cars for short to medium range driving, and terrible for long distance. Multi-vehicle families should have at least 1 EV if they have access to home charging.

I'm guessing free charging will go away since you'll get people abusing it. Very few people will want to use slow charging infrastructure if it isn't free, since it would cost more than charging at home. For this reason, slow chargers in the public are also mostly a gimmick. People don't want to rely on a charger being available at their destination to be able to make it back home, for instance. If they aren't relying on a charger being available, then any charging they do is opportunistic rather than a necessity.

[RedDevil]

It is work in progress.
Batteries will get cheaper, lighter, better, charge faster, have more range over time. That by itself will make EV's more attractive. But also, the bigger the market the finer mazed the charging structure will be.
We've seen that happen over here. Holland has a high % of EV's and plugin hybrids, and the charging structure has grown with it. Finding a charger close by where you need it is easy.

Yeah, there may be people who abuse the system. But they will find themselves making involuntary donations to the nations largest charity.

[Xist]

"As of 31 December 2017, there were 121,542 highway legal light-duty plug-in electric vehicles registered in the Netherlands" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-i...he_Netherlands

"There were 8.1 million cars in the Netherlands in January 2016" https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016...d-mobility.pdf

There were 382,514 cars sold in 2016 and 414,538 sold in 2017: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...e-netherlands/

I do not have any idea how many vehicles have been retired in those two years, but 121,542 / 8,897,052 = 1.366%.

[RedDevil]

Yes. That's not bad, is it? Better % wise than most other countries around.
Norway and Sweden have special extreme incentives for EV's. Ours less so, and declining. Still EV's are on the rise.
Combined with our high relative population density it means the number of EV's per square km is relatively high, and so the charging structure is really dense.

Some stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...use_by_country

I had a thing going I'd call the Tesla of the Day. The idea was that I was unable to do my commute without spotting at least one Tesla on the way. Initially it was tense, as I had some late sightings on the home stretch. But nowadays the S-es are so common, its not unusual to spot two at once.