The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

Most would say no because Mickey Mouse isn't real (as a sentient being).

Remember Air Pirates Funnies?

It has stopped being funny:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=disney+tours+little+st+james+island

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

It's called cherry picking.
Go back far enough ice free poles, rapid environmental changes, hundreds of feet of sea level change are normal.
Worried about global warming, ask a wolly mammoth, Saber tooth tiger, or dire wolf what real climate change looks like.

BS.
Statistical analysis is solid science. Weather events follow a Bell Curve. If you have more extremes, it is a sign the whole curve is shifting, and it is.
We have data proving global average temperature change. We also have more extremes, which also confirms a raise.

This isn't the first time that a stationary system on the Atlantic causes heat waves in Europe. This happens several times per decade. But they are gradually getting more severe. And the speed of change is rising. We don't have a couple of centuries to wait and see what's going to happen. By then all the worlds ports, most of the major cities and a 3rd of all farmland are flooded.

The woolly mammoths could blame nobody for their fate. But your grandchildren may blame you.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Is the World Fair the reason the Space Needle exists?

Yes. I was at the Seattle World Fair, with the Monorail, Science Pavilion, Bubble-ator & Gracy Hansen's burlesque show. But Seattle's dance with science was all show & as flimsy as the Gracy costumes. In the 1970's, Seattle even TURNED DOWN BIG free fed money to start a mass transportation system, that the city desperately needed. Ever since, Seattle has been the best place to stop.....& stop&go..... & stop again.

[freebeard]

In (IIRC) the Science Pavilion they had an immense model of Puget Sound with the new Monorail extended into a circle around the entire Puget Sound area.

It never grew from the original length.

[redpoint5]

I would always turn down federal money if I were a state/local government. It never comes without heinous stipulations such as institutionally racist/sexist "affirmative action" type laws... then again, highway money is probably largely free of backwards stipulations.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

"Agriculture already uses almost half of the world’s vegetated land. It consumes 90 percent of all the water used by humanity and generates one-quarter of the annual global emissions that are causing global warming. And yet of the seven billion people living today, 820 million are undernourished because they don’t have access to—or can’t afford—an adequate diet.

“We have to produce 30 percent more food on the same land area, [ How can we do this without giant farm tractors that run on liquid fuel. And without artificial fertilizer that is made with and from fossil carbon] stop deforestation, and cut carbon emissions for food production by two-thirds, All of that must be done while reducing poverty levels and the loss of natural habitat, preventing freshwater depletion, and cutting pollution as well as other environmental impacts of farming."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...00041266339255

It's probably not as much a technological challenge,as it is,getting those who currently profit from the way things are,to change for the greater good.
In order to pay retired kindergarten teachers their pension checks each month,pension fund managers currently invest in rapacious corporations whom continue to extract,deforest,pollute,emit carbon dioxide,etc.,not unlike cannibals whom consume their own former students in order to pay their domestic expenses and leisure activities.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

All worthy goals. I wish us good (F-ing) luck.

My whole high school senior class (all eleven!) took a trip to the Seattle World's Fair. I could have seen the Tokyo World's Fair on R&R if I'd extended my tour. I declined.

edit:
I see there was a whole 'nuther page.

Vman455 — Is the Earth not the center of the observable Universe? Are we alone?

Bucky Fuller talked about how people would go home to sleep in slums while the typewriters stayed in air-conditioned office buildings. Those huge skyscrapers dedicated to insurance companies and such could be gutted and repurposed.

Personally, I'm more in favor of flotillas of greenhouses in bays and estuaries. And geodesic fish farms floating in the open ocean.

Roboticized hydroponics.

They showed a floating dairy farm in Rotterdam the other night on the news.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Okay, but I still don't know why the idea has re-emerged today.

Perhaps I should re-read Hamlet's Mill, it's been a few decades.

All they'd need to do is,borrow a pair of binoculars and go to the coast.Watching any ship sailing towards the horizon would reveal the observation of the ship disappearing,beginning at the waterline,and progressing up the architecture,until the highest point on the vessel finally passed from view.This could only be an artifact of a spherical Earth,as it happens in all directions of travel away from the observer.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Except that any 1-point in time measurement is weather, by definition. People on here keep telling me that my daily observation of "record low" high temperatures is simply weather, and that the global averages over time is what matters. I'm inclined to agree.

These are worth paying attention to,as they are outliers.If your shrubbery begins to advance on your home,it might be someone in a ghillie suit.

[freebeard]

When you're evaluating those peer-reviewed papers, this might be a useful tool.

https://boingboing.net/2019/07/26/wakefield-beware.html

The Scite project has a corpus of millions of scientific articles that it has analyzed with deep learning tools to determine whether any given paper has been supported or contradicted by subsequent publications; you can check Scite via the website, or install a browser plugin version (Firefox, Chrome).