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Old 06-21-2023, 07:04 PM   #1211 (permalink)
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Describe the 'Laws of Nature" you reference, pleez.
Tersely; Synergetics.

Short story long; Mother Gaia doesn't use the Cartesian Coordinate system. That is a lens or frame through which we observe Universe. Which induces misconceptions, which compound to the point where, as Firesign Theatre said long ago -- "Everything You Know Is Wrong"

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Old Lady Nature doesn't use pi, but curiously neither does Turtle Graphics.
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Old 06-21-2023, 10:02 PM   #1212 (permalink)
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No, not at all, just as I don't believe human existence depends on not burning fossil fuels. We have evidence that humanity existed long before fossil fuels were utilized, just that it was nasty, brutish, and short.

Clearly more people exist as a result of fossil fuel exploitation, so that suggests human existence is helped by it, not hindered.



There's no such consensus, and the most well regarded climate scientists make no such existential claims. Science is not the process of consensus; it's the process of making increasingly accurate predictions based on observation.



Sure we can. We thrive despite destabilized weather.



I'll need some help unpacking this a bit more, but I'll take a stab at it anyhow...

I make 2 claims:

1. most of us wouldn't exist if fossil fuels were never exploited
2. human existence does not require use of fossil fuels

So my wants would never even exist if humanity didn't exploit fossil fuels because I'd have never been born. I'm grateful that fossil fuels were exploited resulting in my existence and the resultant wants.

As for humanity's needs, they consist primarily of reproduction, survival, and productive work.



Very true. All technology derives from nature and therefore has a relationship with ecology.

Defining "progress" is the subjective bit.



My viewpoint will always be the default one, so long as humans are around. That viewpoint being the necessity to impact the natural state of the world from one which is less hospitable to human flourishing, to one that is more hospitable to human flourishing.

We could all choose to live in teepees, going around raiding other primitive tribes, and generally having a small impact on nature, but nobody chooses to live that way when given the option.

The law of nature is "dog eat dog", so I am opposed to it. Since industrialism creates cooperation which "overrules" the law of nature, I'm for it. Would rather have a smartphone than someone's scalp adorning my necklace.



I don't think that's a helpful rephrase, and I'm skeptical that you're asking in good faith. I'll assume good faith as a default, and answer the question.

The Environment is not sentient, and therefore cannot be abused. That means nobody has ever abused The Environment, and never will.
Indeed. About 95% of people on earth consume food grown with synthetic fertilizer, where ammonia is derived from natural gas and coal. It all started in the 1880s.
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Old 06-28-2023, 02:45 PM   #1213 (permalink)
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The "settled soyence":
Global warming will make snowy winters (not the porn star) a thing of the past.
Headline 2000: €œSnowfalls are now just a thing of the past€ | GlobalWarming.org

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But global warming can't even make snowy summers a thing of the past.
Meanwhilst in Yosemite


Feet of snow in the summer, and snow that crushes buildings made in places where they expect it to snow feet at a time in the winter does not point to tipping point warming.
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The first 4:44 is about what is a season. Then --The Milankovitch Cycles

Disaster is precipitated by confluent events.

With a helpful pop-up definition of climate change from the United Nations(?)
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Global warming is the cause of any unusual weather, including snow in the summer. That snow allowed people to break their arms skiing; ergo global warming is responsible for broken bones. You see, global warming can only cause bad things to happen.
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That's a picture from back when it was cold. Yesterday's TV news had people in bathing suits, everything more that 100ft from the snow ( which was trucked in from the top according to the presenter) was a lovely shade of living green.

Pretty sure falling down on that stuff is painful this time of year. Definitely aint powder.

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