The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Being precise is hugely important. When people use hyperbole, the majority of the public believes it.

What percent of people believe the oceans are turning to acid and will boil? What percent believes we're going to literally burn, and that's if we don't wake up tomorrow with oceans above our house or flattened by a tornado.

Most of earth's history had an ocean that was less basic than it is today, and that's where life thrived. There's plenty threating populations of creatures humanity cares about in the ocean, and that mostly is the result of the effectiveness of our hunting techniques.

It's like polar bears; if you want more of them, hunt less of them.

Saying the oceans are becoming more acidic is not a hyberbole, and isn't even untrue. It's a scale like heat, one way is more acidic, and the other is more basic. What scientist says their base became "less basic" or their acid became "less acidic"? An acid that's now less acidic has become more basic, and a base thats now less basic has become more acidic. The scale is logarithmic anyway.

Plus the point at which there start to be problems has nothing to do with the exact center point where acidic and basic meet. Not being basic enough is already bad. The term "too acidic" is 100% correct, not a hyperbole.

Making up speach technicalities that don't exist to minimize or completely ignore a problem on the excuse that you believe you're being precise, when you're not, is also misleading.

True, overhunting is a problem. But that's no proof that it's the only problem. In no way have you demonstrated how many polar bears are being killed by humans compared to their overall decline in population, which ignores the possibility that humankind could be doing something else far more destructive than directly killing these animals one by one.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

In no way have you demonstrated how many polar bears are being killed by humans compared to their overall decline in population, which ignores the possibility that humankind could be doing something else far more destructive than directly killing these animals one by one.

About 1000 hunted annually, or about 5% of the total population.

https://www.peoplefornatureandpeace....nd%20trophies.

Polar bear populations have been stable for the past 3 decades
https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-th...oaArN6EALw_wcB

[freebeard]

...speach...

https://knowyourmeme.com › memes › you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It ...
Nov 21, 2023The quote "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means" was said by American actor Mandy Patinkin [2] who portrayed the swordsman Inigo Montoya [3] in the 1987 romantic comedy The Princess Bride.

[freebeard]

Cloud Seeding Blamed for Record Floods in Dubai

They've been seeding clouds for twenty years, and didn't get this result before.

[redpoint5]

Sounds like opportunity for a new area of expertise; meteorological cloud-seeding forecasting. Prescribing the right amount of seeding given the forecast.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by freebeard

They've been seeding clouds for twenty years, and didn't get this result before.

Last time it was done was operation Popeye. The air force over seeded the clouds of an incoming monsoon and unleashed a nearly biblical flood.
It can be done.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

Saying the oceans are becoming more acidic is not a hyberbole, and isn't even untrue. It's a scale like heat, one way is more acidic, and the other is more basic. What scientist says their base became "less basic" or their acid became "less acidic"? An acid that's now less acidic has become more basic, and a base thats now less basic has become more acidic. The scale is logarithmic anyway.

Plus the point at which there start to be problems has nothing to do with the exact center point where acidic and basic meet. Not being basic enough is already bad. The term "too acidic" is 100% correct, not a hyperbole.

Making up speach technicalities that don't exist to minimize or completely ignore a problem on the excuse that you believe you're being precise, when you're not, is also misleading.

True, overhunting is a problem. But that's no proof that it's the only problem. In no way have you demonstrated how many polar bears are being killed by humans compared to their overall decline in population, which ignores the possibility that humankind could be doing something else far more destructive than directly killing these animals one by one.

1) Ocean pH is now a function of the carbonic acid concentration of the seawater.
2) The ability of seawater to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, to create the carbonic acid responsible for lowering the pH of the seawater, is a function of seawater temperature, directly associated with global warming.
3) Ocean corral reefs are experiencing their 4th mass bleaching event, which are now, two per decade.
4) It takes from ten, to forty years for a corral reef to recover from a bleaching event.
5) Obviously, there's presently not enough time in between events for the corral to recover.
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6) Corral reefs constitute 0.1% of the total ocean surface area.
7) Corral reefs produce twenty-five percent of all the ocean's food supply.
8) The entire marine food chain begins with sea-ice algae.
9) As the oceans become 'blue-ocean', with zero sea ice, we face marine food extinction as a function of global warming.
10) As goes the polar bear, so goes everything in the sea, including Santa Claus, Mrs. Claus, all of Santa's helpers, and the Reindeer, who are presently starving because of climate change.
11) Putin's GAZPROM arctic oil and gas fields, which the reindeer must navigate each year, must now be mechanically refrigerated year-round, in order to protect them from falling through the surrounding permafrost into sinkholes ( look for Hallmark's new line of Russian holiday greeting cards from the Arctic Circle ! )

[aerohead]

Presently, Florida has lost 98% of its coral reefs. Marine biologists are working hard to turn it around. PBS Television, the only source for the data among all media outlets.( Pelican Brief! )

[freebeard]

Never saw the movie so I looked at IMDB. www.imdb.com/title/tt0107798/plotsummary/

Shenanigans in high places, over an environmental impact statement? I don't see the connection to a single unsubstantiated source.

[Piotrsko]

Probably why both you and I have never seen the movie. Soo far out it still isn't worth watching after all these years.