The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I was told approximately 2009 that snowy winters would soon be a thing of the past. I don't consider 15 years soon enough.

And I was told that we'd all be driving flying cars by now.

Whoever thought that global warming would soon make snowy winters a thing of the past had no idea of what he was talking about. What a couple of degrees of warmer average global temperatures does or doesn't do is debatable. But removing snowy winters isn't one of them. I've seen -52 °F around here years ago. Last week I saw -34 °F. It would take over 70 °F of global warming to get rid of winters here.

[freebeard]

When you add energy to a system it becomes more chaotic.

What I notice is that on Date & Time Weather the current time doesn't track with the upcoming 5 hours, which varies from the 48 hour forecast which disagrees with the two week forecast.

And that's just the weather.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

And I was told that we'd all be driving flying cars by now.

Whoever thought that global warming would soon make snowy winters a thing of the past had no idea of what he was talking about. What a couple of degrees of warmer average global temperatures does or doesn't do is debatable. But removing snowy winters isn't one of them. I've seen -52 °F around here years ago. Last week I saw -34 °F. It would take over 70 °F of global warming to get rid of winters here.

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It wouldn't have been a climatologist.
They will tell you that, as the Arctic warms more than most regions on Earth, that the polar vortex acts as if it's 'drunk' and 'stumbles around', as far as below the Equator, bringing the cold Arctic air mass with it.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

When you add energy to a system it becomes more chaotic.

What I notice is that on Date & Time Weather the current time doesn't track with the upcoming 5 hours, which varies from the 48 hour forecast which disagrees with the two week forecast.

And that's just the weather.

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In the Dallas-Ft. Worth area, meteorologists have up to 48 different weather prediction models to choose from. They may vary in temporal resolution from one another.
We have a lot of 'heat-island' effects as well, so outlying areas will see different 'weather.'

[freebeard]

Space Weather News at 2:37 reports on www.nature.com: Atlantic overturning inferred from air-sea heat fluxes indicates no decline since the 1960s

And then mercilessly mocks it for it's superficiality.

[freebeard]

A New Ice Age For Europe Is Becoming More Likely

The Gulf of America today is a small preview of what Europe faces in the long term.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Space Weather News at 2:37 reports on www.nature.com: Atlantic overturning inferred from air-sea heat fluxes indicates no decline since the 1960s

And then mercilessly mocks it for it's superficiality.

Recent reporting on PBS has AMOC already slowing by 30%.

[freebeard]

Already
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AMOC is affected by salinity as well as heat.

Wikipedia
Beaufort Gyre - Wikipedia
The Beaufort Gyre has formed a dome of freshwater that has expanded vertically by about 15 centimetres (5.9 in) since 2002; by 2011 it had swelled to about 8,000 cubic kilometres (1,900 cu mi) in volume. [7] The freshwater within this gyre represents about 10% of all the freshwater in the Arctic

[aerohead]

Yes, it's an aspect of the 'thermohaline cycle', which was the premise of 2004's 'The Day After Tomorrow' ice-pocolyptic sci-fi motion picture, where AMOC shut down and we entered an ice age in short order.
Water density is the prime mover, transporting equatorial heat northwards ( or not ).

[Piotrsko]

So in dummy speak, we're going to freeze to death because it is getting warmer?