The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[sgtlethargic]

This article was posted in June of 2023 and is about the previous (2021) Palisades fire:

https://www.llnl.gov/article/49901/h...rnia-wildfires

Quote:

“We show that nearly all of the observed increase in burned area in California over the past half-century is attributable to human-caused climate change,” Lucas said.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

This article was posted in June of 2023 and is about the previous (2021) Palisades fire:

https://www.llnl.gov/article/49901/h...rnia-wildfires

Quote:

“We show that nearly all of the observed increase in burned area in California over the past half-century is attributable to human-caused climate change,”Lucas said.

OK, so where do they show that?

I show that fires are routine in nature, and they clear out smaller amounts of fuel on a regular basis, and that preventing wildfire and allowing fuel to accumulate over many years is unnatural, and creates a bigger problem when nature finally has her way.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

OK, so where do they show that?

I show that fires are routine in nature, and they clear out smaller amounts of fuel on a regular basis, and that preventing wildfire and allowing fuel to accumulate over many years is unnatural, and creates a bigger problem when nature finally has her way.

I provided a link to an article that mentions a scientific study that was done. You'd have to try to find a public report.

What are your conclusions based on?

[freebeard]

What are your conclusions based on?

Responsible forest fire management:

duckduckgo.com/?q=responsible+forest+fire+management&ia=web

The forest management in California is turning a lot of voters Red (in the post-1989 modern sense, not the traditional sense).

[freebeard]

Maybe a tenuous connection to Anthropogenic Climate Forcing, but I found this notable:

Nuclear Powered Evolution | The Wolves of Chernobyl Reveal Human Potential

Apparently radiation k*lls individuals, but strengthens the species. This is the subject of the first seventeen minutes half. (first four minutes is ad, the last seven minutes is outro) There is an interesting way the video is edited with a tilt-pan effect to segue into the AI imaginings.

Second half is about the potential of Quantum Biology. At 15:42, you get your geodesic domes in outer space.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

OK, so where do they show that?

I show that fires are routine in nature, and they clear out smaller amounts of fuel on a regular basis, and that preventing wildfire and allowing fuel to accumulate over many years is unnatural, and creates a bigger problem when nature finally has her way.

It's from the bi-partisan Treasury Council members of the U.S. Treasury Department ( NATURE Climate Change, 2023 ), referencing NASA's Goddard Space Institute's, Advanced Data Analytics Platform ( ADAPT ), terrestrial and spaced-based Sub-5 Meter Resolution Satellite data gathering, the National Drought Monitor, the NASA Center for Climate Simulation ( NCCS )' WorldClim numbers-crunching algorithms, etc..
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They've monitored real-time data, feeding it into their simulations using:
-vegetative cover assays ( fuel )
-atmospheric water vapor concentrations
-relative humidity
-VOCs
-Boiling points
-Structure combustive VOC outgassing thresholds for infrared radiation exposure ( wildfires )
-Flash temperatures
-firebrand ember shelf lives
-ember transport distance
-wind histories
-powerline proximity
-housing densities
-egress
-overvaluation in real estate pricing of unacknowledged risk
-climate 'brittleness' of infrastructure
-threats to the financial stability of the United States economy facing multiples of $ Trillions in losses from anthropogenic climate-related events ( 'existential' )
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It's happening right now. Climate refugees are fleeing the affected areas, destroying the economies of the Great Lakes region, and N-E U.S., creating secondary refugees in these 'booming' real estate markets, ejecting those 'born' to those areas, whom can no longer afford to live there.
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Whole communities will be abandoned. Tax revenue will disappear. Foreclosures on properties which will never be rebuilt. Government charters will face bankruptcy, entire areas abandoned. No rebuilding. No new home insurance policies. Re-insurance industry telling insurance companies to go ... themselves.
'Drill baby drill!
MAGA!

[Piotrsko]

Hmmm, sounds a lot like the events preceeding the great depressions of the past.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Responsible forest fire management:

duckduckgo.com/?q=responsible+forest+fire+management&ia=web

The forest management in California is turning a lot of voters Red (in the post-1989 modern sense, not the traditional sense).

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Pretty poetic, since it appears to be the 'Red' voter's lifestyles (deathstyles ? ) who are accelerating the climate change, which is driving the historic wind velocities, rendering first responders impotent in responding.
A house of cards in a hurricane.
MAGA!

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

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Pretty poetic, since it appears to be the 'Red' voter's lifestyles (deathstyles ? ) who are accelerating the climate change

CO2 emissions are a function of wealth, and as far as I know, there isn't a difference in the wealth of Red vs Blue teams. Wealth is a function of free markets (capitalism) with rule enforcement and high trust. Wealthy economies spend fossil fuels to achieve their standard of living.

There is no difference between economic well-being and fossil fuel consumption, and there are zero examples of countries that have decoupled that relationship.

I expect that relationship to decouple at some future date, but this isn't the future.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Pretty poetic, since it appears to be the 'Red' voter's lifestyles (deathstyles ? ) who are accelerating the climate change

See, that's the problem. I even qualified the use of 'Red' in a parenthetical. I still struggle with it every time myself.

Smithsonian Magazine
When Republicans Became 'Red' and Democrats Became 'Blue'
Oct 21, 2024 Four years later, in 1984, ABC and CBS used red for Republicans and blue for Democrats—but the combination wouldn't stick for another 16 years. During the four presidential elections that ...