The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[freebeard]

I've got an irrational goal to not run the heat until Nov 1.

I just turned a heater on. I may collect a few receipts and look for trends. I think there is a Summer high and a Winter (higher) high. The outstanding bill is $28 at $0.06.2/kWh.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

An idiot box? I have friends who watch TV daily. Unfortunately they are the most misinformed people I know. They watch the network news.

https://www.youtube.com/user/NOVAonline

The out of Africa theory is supported by Zecharia Sichin's translation of Sumerian cuneiform.



#1617 "The link provides argument both pro and con."

1) The PBS NEWS HOUR is probably the single best source of information available to US Nationals.
PBS also gives the national news broadcasts for:
BBC
Germany's Deutsche Wella
France 24
NHK Tokyo
2) PBS' NOVA usually has timely reporting on climate-related science.
3) PBS' 'ENERGY SWITCH', from The University of Texas at Austin is a weekly program, that invites people involved. and their perspectives on the issues, feasibilities, and economics of specific technologies.
4) Sumer would have had no knowledge of southern Africa, the Caribbean, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, Indonesian archipelago, the Arctic, the northern polar regions, Greenland, Iceland, England/Wales, Ireland, Antarctica, Scotland, Russia, etc., so, limited knowledge of human habitation ( or not ).
4) I'm not looking at # 1617 until I have a 'reason' to look at it.

[Piotrsko]

Maybe your pbs does, mine only does DW and headline part of BBC and only at non prime hours.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

• I have some evidence, such as the fact that human numbers were miniscule at the peak of this current ice age, and rapidly increased as things thawed.

• We have a biological mechanism to deal with excessive heat through perspiration and evaporation. We do not have a biological mechanism to contend long-term with insufficient heat, and much energy is wasted during brief periods of hypothermia. It's a tough thing to be a hairless ape in an ice age.

• Expending energy for warmth demands more calories, and obtaining more calories demands a plan to have those calories when they are most scarce; during winter weather.

• Hypothermia has and still does kill more people every year than hyperthermia.

• The bulk of the human population exists closer to the equator than the poles, suggesting a preference to warmer climates.

• Finally, the fact that humanity originated from Africa suggests our species is better suited to those environments.

The consilience of these facts strongly supports my hypothesis that humanity is biologically adapted to warmer climates compared to colder ones.

As you point out, it's technology that allows humanity to exist in all climates and have prolific numbers.

20,000 years ago during this glacial maximum, there might have been 1 million living humans




"Current era: About 10% of the land area is covered by glaciers, ice caps, and ice sheets (National Snow and Ice Data Center, 2017).

Last Ice Age (20,000-10,000 years ago): Approximately 30% of the land on Earth was covered by glaciers (WorldAtlas, 2018).

During the most active period of the last ice age (around 20,000 years ago): Around 50% of the land on Earth was covered by glaciers (Tamara Pico’s study, 2023).

Historically: Permanent ice has only existed on Earth for about 20% of the planet’s history, during periods of icehouse climate (Earth Science Stack Exchange, 2023)."

1) Human numbers have fallen to as low as 70 breeding pairs, so that's factual.
2) Humans have no biological facility for dealing with 'heat-index' phenomena except death by renal failure.
3) Without shelter and fire, no amount of food will prevent death unless one remains physically active, generating metabolic heat. And at some point, that will be insufficient to ward off hypothermia.
4) Yes, hypothermia kills far more than hyperthermia, when taken in the context of ' temperature mortality ratio '.
Most who die are 65-years or older, and they have pre-existing health issues:
* respiratory infections
* cardiovascular disease
* diabetes
* kidney disease
* alcoholism/ fatty liver
OR :
* run their vehicle into a snow bank and perish from exposure.
* get caught out in a storm un-prepared.
* get 'wet', lose all insulation potential of clothing and die of exposure.
* get stuck in the mud, leave their vehicle, and die of exposure.
* the majority of 'cold' deaths occur at 'moderate' cold conditions.
5) in 2023, 2,677 Americans died of 'heat death.'
6) in 2023, about 1,500 Americans died of 'cold' death.
7) the 'bulk' of the human population, living near the Equator are going to die of heat death.
8) The 'environment' of the Holocene, in which humans flourished is 'vanishing' at a rate that is 170-times faster than humans, animals, and plants can 'evolve,' which will end up in mass extinction.
9) The existence of humans on planet Earth is an 'instant' ,compared the Earth's geologic history.
10) With respect to Earth's position in our solar system, we're already near the inner edge of the 'Goldilocks' zone of habitability. The heat blanket caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases will become so 'potent' that, it will be tantamount to 'moving' Earth's orbit fatally close to the Sun.
A 'look' at our Moon, and Venus gives you all you need to know about how fossil -fuels will 'end' our planet. Scientifically, there is no other conclusion.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Here's a good one.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/starsh...ole-atmosphere

"It means we don't understand processes which take place in the atmosphere," Yasyukevich told Nature. Let that be food for thought.
It's not very often scientists show their hand they've been over playing.

We've understood it well enough since 1988 to be able to predict what happens when you add greenhouse gases to it.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Contiguous U. S. Maximum Temperature

patriots.win/p/1994p2IO4i/the-global-warming-scam-despite-/c

You're showing values for the lower-48, not the 'world.'

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Yep, see tags.

Not 'global'.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The weather forecast is looking like no more AC use this year. I've got an irrational goal to not run the heat until Nov 1. Perhaps global warming can help me achieve that goal.

Perhaps the 24-wildfires presently burning in your state will give you the 'win.'

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

1) Human numbers have fallen to as low as 70 breeding pairs, so that's factual.
2) Humans have no biological facility for dealing with 'heat-index' phenomena except death by renal failure.
3) Without shelter and fire, no amount of food will prevent death unless one remains physically active, generating metabolic heat. And at some point, that will be insufficient to ward off hypothermia.
4) Yes, hypothermia kills far more than hyperthermia, when taken in the context of ' temperature mortality ratio '.
Most who die are 65-years or older, and they have pre-existing health issues:
* respiratory infections
* cardiovascular disease
* diabetes
* kidney disease
* alcoholism/ fatty liver
OR :
* run their vehicle into a snow bank and perish from exposure.
* get caught out in a storm un-prepared.
* get 'wet', lose all insulation potential of clothing and die of exposure.
* get stuck in the mud, leave their vehicle, and die of exposure.
* the majority of 'cold' deaths occur at 'moderate' cold conditions.
5) in 2023, 2,677 Americans died of 'heat death.'
6) in 2023, about 1,500 Americans died of 'cold' death.
7) the 'bulk' of the human population, living near the Equator are going to die of heat death.
8) The 'environment' of the Holocene, in which humans flourished is 'vanishing' at a rate that is 170-times faster than humans, animals, and plants can 'evolve,' which will end up in mass extinction.
9) The existence of humans on planet Earth is an 'instant' ,compared the Earth's geologic history.
10) With respect to Earth's position in our solar system, we're already near the inner edge of the 'Goldilocks' zone of habitability. The heat blanket caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases will become so 'potent' that, it will be tantamount to 'moving' Earth's orbit fatally close to the Sun.
A 'look' at our Moon, and Venus gives you all you need to know about how fossil -fuels will 'end' our planet. Scientifically, there is no other conclusion.

I couldn't find the figures you have on hypothermia vs hyperthermia deaths, but this study finds cold kills at 20x the rate as warm;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0520193831.htm

You agree though, that humanity is biologically better adapted to warmer climates on earth than the cooler ones?

Regarding "Scientifically, there is no other conclusion", no scientists have concluded anything except things are getting warmer. Historically, the most living matter in the world existed when it was much warmer than it is today. That suggests life can thrive when it's much warmer.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I couldn't find the figures you have on hypothermia vs hyperthermia deaths, but this study finds cold kills at 20x the rate as warm;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0520193831.htm

You agree though, that humanity is biologically better adapted to warmer climates on earth than the cooler ones?

Regarding "Scientifically, there is no other conclusion", no scientists have concluded anything except things are getting warmer. Historically, the most living matter in the world existed when it was much warmer than it is today. That suggests life can thrive when it's much warmer.

* I was looking at 'our world in data'., where they cited a 'global study' by Qu Zaho et al..
* You are correct about 'cold death' completely over-shadowing 'heat deaths' on a global basis, however, we need to understand the 'caveats' under which this reporting is made.
* Evolutionary-wise, out primate ancestors and us came out of Equatorial Africa, so, it is what it is.
* DNA mutations which produced caucasians, allowed white people to absorb enough sunlight for Vitamin D production ( teeth & bones ) in northern regions where the local diet may not provide for it, and sunshine was weak, compared to Africa.
* When water vapor is added to the 'warmth' then the biological calculus is completely changed.
You're looking at a world in which you're running a 105-F temperature all the time you're outdoors. Your organs fail, and your brain is cooked. A friend died this way a year ago.
* Photosynthesis 'STOPS' @ 104-F. World food production is in decline, amid an ever-increasing human population. Crop biologists are observing not only heat-related crop yield decline, but also farmers facing losses from hail, flooding, top-soil erosion, saltwater intrusion, hard freezes, fungus, plant disease, insect plagues, loss of pollinators, etc..
* There is no 'thriving.'