06-14-2009, 02:58 PM
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Then don't complain about the laws we enforce in this country to protect you from yourself and every other idiot on the road.
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With all due respect I don't think we're talking the same language.
Driving a motorcycle in accordance with america's traffic laws endangers no-one but the person who chooses to ride the motorcycle, who as an adult can decide to travel on such a form of vehicle.
Walking around randomly in the road with livestock and a piloting homebuilt semi truck made from seven trabants nailed together, down a dirt road with no lane markings or traffic lights is a menace to everyone regardless of what decision they have made about their own personal safety.
I really cannot make this more plain, either you get it or you're on mars.
Since a Tata Nano (which does not meet us safety requirements FOR ITS OCCUPANTS) is still safer for its occupants than the less-safe-but-yet-legal-in-the-US motorcycle, the Nano should also be legal here, because it does not pose any additional risk whatsoever to non-occupants.
Please, please prove to me that you're intelligent enough to understand this.
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06-15-2009, 09:17 AM
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The safety argument. although true. is all crap.
If a SUV hits a Civic - the civic is in trouble.. "So lets make them bigger and more safe" leads us to Larger Cars..
Well if a SEMI hits a SUV - is not the SUV in trouble???
If a TRAIN hits a SEMI - is not the SEMI in trouble??
So to make everyone safe - we all need to ride in trains...
WAIT A MINUTE - that would actually work -
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Mass Transit answers Both issues ( safety and efficiency)
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06-15-2009, 10:36 AM
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QED, Doofus. Nice one.
Phil: Yes, that IIHS study got a LOT of media play. Part two was released last week, whch was: not only are small cars deathtraps, they are more expensive to repair in minor fender benders.
Their message seems to be: if you don't die in your small car, you will wish you did when you have to fix it.
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06-15-2009, 11:25 AM
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The only thing that really stood out to me is a point that I do agree with him on:
Fuel ECONOMY and Fuel EFFICIENCY are completely different things.
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06-15-2009, 01:45 PM
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RE: Mass transit:
MagLev trains, in such an infrastructure that would take you to central hubs of any area that you'd want to go, and diesel-electric busses which could get you the rest of the way, within blocks. Everyone would have a "briefcase" which contained an electric scooter that ran on a solar panel, with a top speed of "walking with a kick in your step".
Hey, look... modern efficiency...
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06-15-2009, 02:39 PM
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Driving a motorcycle in accordance with america's traffic laws endangers no-one but the person who chooses to ride the motorcycle, who as an adult can decide to travel on such a form of vehicle.
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Huh?
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06-15-2009, 02:55 PM
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QED, Doofus. Nice one.
Phil: Yes, that IIHS study got a LOT of media play. Part two was released last week, whch was: not only are small cars deathtraps, they are more expensive to repair in minor fender benders.
Their message seems to be: if you don't die in your small car, you will wish you did when you have to fix it.
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06-15-2009, 03:37 PM
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It does seem that the only industry info you hear lately is related to economy, small, hybrid, EV, etc (which I personally think is a shift for the better and about time). Maybe this is a social reaction of an ego survival struggle. When was the last time you saw a commercial touting a SUV as a lifestyle improvement? With this economy people are going to start having to prove their self worth with themselves and not with what they can buy.
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06-15-2009, 05:17 PM
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I don't think many people ever actually did consider the fallacy of possession as a means for determining the worth of a person...
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06-15-2009, 11:53 PM
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Quote:
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Driving a motorcycle in accordance with america's traffic laws endangers no-one but the person who chooses to ride the motorcycle, who as an adult can decide to travel on such a form of vehicle.
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Huh?
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*sigh* .... keep digging.
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