"Conventional" hybrids kicked out of California carpool lanes

[Frank Lee]

Can't speak for Jason but my fe at 80 mph is irrelevant, because I never go 80 (except on a new car test drive when vmax must be determined!) (Oh, and on the V-Max too.)

Volume is irrelevant too, since it's so rarely anywhere near full anyway.

[bwilson4web]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

. . . my fe at 80 mph is irrelevant, because I never go 80 (except on a new car test drive when vmax must be determined!) (Oh, and on the V-Max too.)

Volume is irrelevant too, since it's so rarely anywhere near full anyway.

"Ignorance like chastity is its own reward ... and punishment." or as Winston Churchill once quipped, "Temperance, like chastity, is its own punishment."

Bob Wilson

[Frank Lee]

Not knowing or caring about Prii fe @ 80 is my reward.... and punishment it seems.

[bwilson4web]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Not knowing or caring about Prii fe @ 80 is my reward.... and punishment it seems.

No problem Frank.

JasonG seems intent in sparkin' a feud and I'm really sorry for him. Silly people should 'find a life' but I don't roll-over for such petty bullies ... not when I've got a ready 'clue by four' and the will to wield it.

Look, it isn't personal any more than the data I've collected over the years are anything other than just the facts and data. They have no feelings or emotions but are just simple observations. If someone has better data, I'm all eyes and ears because that is how we learn how reality works.

Let's bury the hatchet and agree that "JasonG" really has other problems that we can mock and have fun with. He screwed up so let's have some fun with him ... ask him for his facts and data ... the currency of serious people.

Bob Wilson

[cfg83]

JasonG -

Originally Posted by JasonG

Shame a "Hybid" Lexus getting what, mid 20s maybe 30MPG gets a carpool sticker but a Metro/TDI/Basjoos/etc getting 50MPG (and up) get stuck in traffic.
It was a good law, but was too abused by the mild hybrids.
This goes hand and hand with the 80MPH Priuses (sp?) thread.

At first I read this on face value and somethinig didn't sound right. Then I realized that mild hybrids never qualified :

Eligible Vehicles - Single Occupant Carpool Lane Use Stickers

From the above you can see that Lexus was never in the list.

Also, it's hard to abuse a law that only had 85,000 stickers *max*. First buy first serve. The new law will have 40,000 stickers *max*.

From my POV the sticker served it's purpose of incentivising hybrid car ownership. Now that the hybrids have gone mainstream, there is no need to incentivise hybrids. If CNG sales were as great as hybrids (in California at least) then I would guess that stickers for CNGs would also become candidates for revocation. As the emission laws get more stringent the bar is raised and the sticker goes defunct.

CarloSW2

[cfg83]

MetroMPG -

Here's another article on the same :

Find your CA carpool hybrid here! | Carpool Hybrids: Prius with HOV Carpool Stickers

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There are now hundreds of thousands of hybrids on the roads in California, yet those who were fortunate to get one of the yellow stickers before they ran out continued to enjoy the special HOV lane privilege. The expiration of those stickers has been postponed several times, most recently from January 1st to July 1st of this year.

But clearly it was time for the yellow stickers to go. Newer, cleaner technology cars have since come on the market, and because the yellow stickers ran out in February 2007, any car on the road that still has one would be at least 4 and a half years old. Not exactly state-of-the-art.
...

CarloSW2

[basjoos]

On 80mph interstate road trips I'm averaging 60-62 mpg.

[user removed]

On 80 MPH Interstates here I am watching the troopers issue reckless driving tickets. $500 and 4 points. Why are we even discussing 80 MPH on a fuel economy forum? I would bet if average speeds on Interstates were 80 MPH, traffic fatalities would double.
The lethality of any projectile increases exponentially when it's velocity goes from 80 feet per second to 120 feet per second.

regards
Mech

[California98Civic]

I live in CA, like many of you. I like this change. But I would rather they not offer the same advantage to EVs now. Many of the lanes are jammed. You are often better off in the "regular" lanes. The HOV lanes only require TWO people in the car. It should be three people. Give a tax break for three person car-pools. Until the anti-social commuter can at least climb out of the psychological box of the commute, we'll all just get jammed daily.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by Old Mechanic

On 80 MPH Interstates here I am watching the troopers issue reckless driving tickets. $500 and 4 points. Why are we even discussing 80 MPH on a fuel economy forum? I would bet if average speeds on Interstates were 80 MPH, traffic fatalities would double.
The lethality of any projectile increases exponentially when it's velocity goes from 80 feet per second to 120 feet per second.

regards
Mech

They made 100+ mph a FELONY in my state a few years back. 80 doesn't seem that far from 100 to me anymore...

Edit: got bad info re: felony. Sorry.