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Always stop at signs & lights 83 55.33%
Drive through signs when nobody around, always stop at lights 56 37.33%
Drive through signs & lights when nobody around 11 7.33%
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Old 06-11-2011, 11:14 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Do we stop at STOP signs ?? *

Are you joking ?

* of course !

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Old 06-12-2011, 07:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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In our neighborhood there are multiple intersections with yields rather than stops. The trick is stringing them together to get to a main road without stopping. I've thought of petitioning to change all the rest (depending on visibility) I think that the fuel savings angle could be a good argument.
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Old 06-12-2011, 11:22 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I ALWAYS stop at stop signs and stop lights. To do otherwise is illegal. Coasting downhill in neutral is also illegal in Arizona. (ARS 28-895) Therefore, I NEVER coast downhill in neutral. I will not admit in public to doing anything illegal.
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:02 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 06-13-2011, 09:28 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 06-14-2011, 11:12 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Our "progress" and "development" is leading to more and more stop signs and stop lights along previously unencumbered routes, leading to real reductions in trip efficiency regardless of traffic density...

That reminds me of a "dream" have... A city-wide networked system of "smart" traffic lights such that they can all "learn" how to minimize the time spent stopped at a light for every car. AI would be great for that kind of thing. Of course each light would be able to operate independently in case of severed communications or power outage.

The negative side I see to that is that it would be a great reason for politicians to push RFID tags in cars and sensors everywhere. Of course, they would tell us that the reason for them is to make the route more efficient, but not mention that they are keeping tabs on us.

Taxed by the mile. *shudder*
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I believe taxed by the mile is coming whether we like it or not. If people would get a grip on their #(%$&% replicating, perhaps it wouldn't have to come to that.

How many times have we all witnessed lights that seem to be timed for maximum inconvenience i.e. there's totally nobody coming on the cross street that the light just made you stop and wait for... then after you've been there for an eternity with still no cross traffic, it changes just in time to make some poor sap that finally did just arrive at that intersection on the cross street stop??? It is as if someone is deriving perverse pleasure from making as many vehicles as possible stop.
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:59 AM   #28 (permalink)
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How many times have we all witnessed lights that seem to be timed for maximum inconvenience i.e. there's totally nobody coming on the cross street that the light just made you stop and wait for... then after you've been there for an eternity with still no cross traffic, it changes just in time to make some poor sap that finally did just arrive at that intersection on the cross street stop??? It is as if someone is deriving perverse pleasure from making as many vehicles as possible stop.
I've got a street with those: At night the lights turn red just before the car enters the intersection. This is supposedly to stop people from racing. Yeah, right. Everyone just blows through the red without a second thought. The PSL is 70 km/h, I'm usually going 60-70 and have to pull my teeth out of the steering wheel at each light. If I go 40, then I sometimes roll through the light just as it turns green again. I've heard that going 160 will allow you to enter the intersect before the light goes red, I haven't checked, but others have. I have nothing against green waves as long as there is info about the speed I have to go to ride it. I don't take that route anymore.

Oh, and then there is another light on a road nearby: It blinks yellow until an approaching car going close to or above the 50km/h PSL turns it red. After a week everyone noticed that there is no intersection, no ped crossing, so no reason to stop when it's red. I have no problem with going 40-45 to keep the light from turning red, but I do have a problem with the drivers who pass me right in front of that light. They trigger the red, but keep going, while I have to wait.
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:10 AM   #29 (permalink)
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We have ones which go to red for speeders - which is OK-ish.

Except I'm usually the one who also has to stop having just been wooshed past by a speeder...
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:59 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Stop. It's a stop sign, right? If you work it right, it doesn't have to hurt your mileage too much. (see below )

There are some that really should be yield signs instead. I still stop.

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