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Old 09-28-2018, 04:24 PM   #1911 (permalink)
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Edison ... won the "main" prize of $5 Million. They probably spend $15 Million, or more. They also built an electric version after the X-Prize, and they continued to develop the design, took it to the GM wind tunnel, and started building the production intent prototype. They continued for about 4 years after the X-Prize.
The oil price fell like a rock between the start and actual competition, and the US [customers, and hence investors] were no longer interested ....

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Old 09-28-2018, 04:49 PM   #1912 (permalink)
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Right - Edison2 was a totally different animal. 250cc turbo single cylinder rear wheel drive, seats 4 people, super low aero drag - VERY different designs.

Edison could not have been a money grab - they built 10 prototypes before the X-Prize, and they brought 4 cars. They spent FAR more money than the prize money. They were always a genuine effort to build a 100+ MPG car.

They won the "main" prize of $5 Million. They probably spend $15 Million, or more. They also built an electric version after the X-Prize, and they continued to develop the design, took it to the GM wind tunnel, and started building the production intent prototype. They continued for about 4 years after the X-Prize.
I formed my opinion based on the owner himself saying "this was a one-time shot at making money". Skip to 5:17 to hear him say this.

Perhaps he had been developing the car independently of the X-prize, but saw an opportunity to make easy money with a project he was already working on.

The rules weren't sufficient to accomplish the results they were looking for, which was to promote advanced technologies. Instead the Edison leveraged no new technology, but merely applied what we already know about traveling efficiently; reduce weight and reduce aerodynamic drag.

There is nothing proprietary about their drivetrain, as it uses an existing parts.

The only thing proprietary is the shape of the vehicle, which is unsuitable for actual consumer use.



I found the video interesting, but the "technology" boring. It's a way to win a game, not solve an actual problem.
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:01 PM   #1913 (permalink)
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Elio cars will never be a thing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't think these "inventors" are so much interested in developing compelling technology so much as making a profit.
Maybe I'm giving Elio to much credit because he went to the same engineering school I did but I see it as naivety. People that don't work in the auto industry simply do not understand the massive amount of tooling required to manufacture an automobile. We are talking $750 million to $2 billion to tool up.

If you look at Paul Elio's resume you can see he was way out of his depth trying to build a mass production car. He graduated from GMI with his engineering degree, worked at Johnson Controls for 2 years and then started Elio.
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Instead the Edison leveraged no new technology, but merely applied what we already know about traveling efficiently; reduce weight and reduce aerodynamic drag.

There is nothing proprietary about their drivetrain, as it uses an existing parts.

The only thing proprietary is the shape of the vehicle, which is unsuitable for actual consumer use.
I really liked the in-wheel suspension. I think they could have adapted it to a 1937 Ford tube axle (w/o the batwings) and sold it to street rodders.
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Elio has already been given one GM plant, promised to make a car, and then sold off the equipment inside. That experience may come in handy.

GM just wants to be rid of the plant. It will cost them property taxes to keep it or millions to clean up and sell it.

My father-in-law worked for Eaton all his career. When Eaton closed his plant they demoed it to the concrete slab to reduce the property value and therefore the property taxes. They knew they would never find a buyer willing to buy it and assume the environmental responsibilities. In Flint, GM demoed several plants, capped them with new soil, and gave the property to Kettering University. Nothing will ever be built there again due to the pollution.
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