Engineering Explained:Why Tesla's Are Bad at Towing

[redpoint5]

Hah, watching the Frontline documentary on that bookstore as I type this.

[Xist]

I visited Yosemite when I was a kid.

It was amazing.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Xist

I visited Yosemite when I was a kid.

It was amazing.

Probably before they poured the concrete "camping" pads, started charging an arm and a leg to enter, and threatened arrest if you broke a dead twig. Wish I had seen it back then too. Grand Tetons are nearby, and they are infinitely better.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Just never go to Yellowstone. Worst camping of my life. Anywhere in America is better.

We try and go every other year usually in September or October. Last time we saw 14 Grizzlies in 3 days. I will never go in june, july, or August. The park around here I don't much like is Glacier.
I do agree it's not great camping. Great camping to me is 10 miles up a dirt road dispersed in a free meadow by a stream, the only campers for at least a mile around.

[redpoint5]

You're in Montana, the land of great camping. I was just in Billings and Livingston last month. It's fantastic.

I guess Yellowstone is good for watching larger animals, but I grew up on a farm so I know what grazing animals do (stand around chewing food). I've never seen a bear in the wild, so I'm sure that's pretty cool.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

You're in Montana, the land of great camping. I was just in Billings and Livingston last month. It's fantastic.

I guess Yellowstone is good for watching larger animals, but I grew up on a farm so I know what grazing animals do (stand around chewing food). I've never seen a bear in the wild, so I'm sure that's pretty cool.

People stopping to look at Buffalo drive me nuts. Then again there is a herd evryday on my way to work. Domestic Buffalo, Yellowstone Bufflo, exactly the same. We do have the National Bison range about 45min from here. They are a little more "wild" there. 2 years ago we went to the National wild horse refuge which is on the other side of Yellowstone south of Billings in the Pryor mountains and that was amazing. Truly wild horses forming packs, fighting, etc in a green meadow filled with wildflowers at 7000 feet was 100 better than I imagined going to see some horses. Bighorn canyon there is an under visited gem as well. The road going up to the summer horse range us bad, bad. 35" tires on the Cybertruck are almost a necessity.

[freebeard]

This is a long episode, but it starts with discussion of a towing calculator in the Cybertruck.

Tesla Time News - Cybertruck Updates!

Tesla listens and cares.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I bet you an unloaded Cybertruck never sees 632 miles of range and you really think somebody's going to be able to tow a camper 632 miles?

I do a lot of camping and I haven't stayed somewhere with even a 15A 110 outlet in 3 years. Yellowstone park for example has about 2200 sites total and only 340 have power. Those 340 don't allow pop-ups which would be the one camper an EV has a chance of moving a fair distance. Those 340 also are at the worst campground in Yellowstone, It's like staying in the Walmart parking lot. There is nothing to do at the actual campground so you need to use the truck to go and see stuff, therefore no opportunity to let it sit and charge which would take days on the 20a 110v they provide anyway.

Now using a diesel to haul a big toyhauler with 2 Arcimotos in the garage would be the bomb!

The caveat is,California,or 55-mph,and a streamlined Bowlus-Teller Road Chief,on Pacific Coast Highway,or I-5 for instance.
The NASCAR two-car draft derived trailers are net zero-mpg-loss.They're aerodynamically invisible.So much so,that they more than cancel out the increased rolling resistance associated with their mass.It's already proven.The tow vehicle will get whatever highway mpg it gets,with,or without the trailer.
Pop-ups at Yellowstone are a grizzly bear issue.Only hard-sided rigs are allowed.During orientation,they used to show a film of a bear shredding a camper.Last time I was there,a photographer has been eaten,and the bear put down.It's a real issue.Pulling the Bowlus requires less power than the pop-up.With the Model X it requires 292 Wh/mi @ 55-mph.316-miles range behind the Model X.With the same mods,the Cybertruck has only a weight penalty of less than 2-hp.Aero is the same.With the double-pack,we're essentially looking at double the range.

[Hersbird]

Only Bridge Bay campground is hard sided only, the 340 spots I was referring to, that is also the only powered campground in Yellowstone. It's actually silly because a Grizzly can hook the side of a locked hard sided camper door and pull it open almost as easily as messing around fighting a moving tent.
Grizzly Bear killed in the North Fork of the Flathead Drainage after breaking into camper | Montana Hunting and Fishing

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

Only Bridge Bay campground is hard sided only, the 340 spots I was referring to, that is also the only powered campground in Yellowstone. It's actually silly because a Grizzly can hook the side of a locked hard sided camper door and pull it open almost as easily as messing around fighting a moving tent.
Grizzly Bear killed in the North Fork of the Flathead Drainage after breaking into camper | Montana Hunting and Fishing

Thanks,that must be where I camped back in '86.We were in my VW Transporter/Campmobile,working our way down the Rocky Mountains from Canada.Great memories except for the Kananaski Trail,of which the VW never recovered from.