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Old 12-15-2014, 07:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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EV not so green?

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The study finds all-electric vehicles cause 86 percent more deaths from air pollution than do cars powered by regular gasoline.
Study: Your all-electric car may not be so green :: WRAL.com

Oh look! EVs AND ethanol = baaaaad!!!

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Old 12-15-2014, 08:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Without actually reading the study the thing that jumps out to me is that they are basing this off of the number of air pollution deaths caused by coal power plants... I didn't realize we had a big problem of people dying from air pollution...
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Since when have they (ambulance-chasing lawyers) been able to differentiate between coal power plant pollution and coal miner dust pollution?
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Old 12-17-2014, 09:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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These studies pop up every few years and on the surface they may well have a bit of truth in them. However, IIRC from past reading, oil companies and refineries are one of the largest users of electricity in the nation. Hence they must also be using electricity created from burning coal. I can't find the documentation on this information so it could well have come from a "greenie" without scientific proof. However some of the power used to refine oil into gasoline is likely to have come from coal burning plants just as it is used to charge electric vehicles. That means that gasoline pollutes twice when it is burned. The good thing about coal burning plants is that their pollution levels can be lowered by cleaning their exhaust if and when our politicians decide it is expedient. Instead of having a cleaner in each vehicle as with gas or diesel, the cleaning can be done at the source. Food for thought.
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Solar is headed to cheaper than coal. You can put solar panels on your roof much easier than you can pump oil out of your back yard.

Although my preference would be wind—>compressed air—>electricity.
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diesel engines are cleaner than gas, causing fewer air pollution deaths and spewing less heat-trapping gas.
While they emit less CO2, thinking & research about diesels in Europe goes exactly the opposite way.

More NOx than gasoline ain't all that good for air quality.

And the smallest diesel nano-particulates (after "filtering" by a soot filter, which essentially reduces their size below what's being officially measured) when inhaled, go straight into the blood stream.

Not talking long-term effects here :
How people get to the research location for testing, influences the results.
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Old 12-18-2014, 05:50 AM   #8 (permalink)
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...The good thing about coal burning plants is that their pollution levels can be lowered by cleaning their exhaust if and when our politicians decide it is expedient. Instead of having a cleaner in each vehicle as with gas or diesel, the cleaning can be done at the source. Food for thought.
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+1 for if all cars were EVs then the cleaning up would be very straight forward.
Clean up the coal power plants or phase them out for greener energy sources.

And it's not just CO2 and NOx. There are a plethora of other noxious and/or carcinogenic chemicals generated by internal combustion engines.

It must be tempting for a trillion dollar oil industry to invest a few million dollars to spread enough misinformation to ensure the continuation of said trillion dollar industry.
Not that that would ever happen, i am sure honesty is a higher priority than profits in the oil industry.


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