Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > EcoModding Central
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-15-2009, 05:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
DieselMiser
 
ConnClark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Richland,WA
Posts: 985

Das Schlepper Frog - '85 Mercedes Benz 300SD
90 day: 23.23 mpg (US)

Gentoo320 - '04 Mercedes C320 4Matic
90 day: 22.44 mpg (US)
Thanks: 46
Thanked 232 Times in 160 Posts
Here is a research project that shows how a good low back pressure muffler can improve things at a low rpm and variable load. The engine its tested on is a 16hp 2 cylinder diesel so results may vary slightly for a gas engine.

http://www.ripublication.com/aama/aamav2n1_4.pdf

__________________
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 01-15-2009, 06:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
I think I read that correctly... it's essentially saying that with the new (quieter) muffler, they got less fuel consumption and higher thermal efficiency... is that correct?

So what does that say about flow? Was the new muffler quieter with higher flow?

Also, back on the original tract of the discussion, SuperTrapp mufflers claim increased flow and HP across the board... which should mean higher efficiency due to lowered pumping losses, regardless of throttle position or RPM.

How does that conclude to "adding a muffler can't increase your fuel economy"?
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 02:19 PM   #33 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 553

Little Blue - '98 Ford Escort ZX2 Cool
Team ZX2
90 day: 44.75 mpg (US)

Big Red - '00 Ford Excursion XLT
90 day: 15.53 mpg (US)
Thanks: 5
Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts
My two cents....
2.0 motor, I put on a Tuned 4-2-1 header, no cat, 2.25 mandrel bent pipe to the back of the car with a straight thru resonator and a staight thru muffler. I recieved a small but noticable increase in mpg's while driving with load. I also recieved a very large and prominate rise in peak hp, 1.2 seconds quicker thru the quarter mile. The torque at low rpms has increased noticably also, however I am not able to take advantage of pulling lower rpms at slower speeds because of the ATX trans down shifts for me......at least not yet
At idle the if you put your hand over the muffler outlet before and after this work the pressure of the gas coming out is much higher after, ie. it feels like it is pushing against my hand much harder.

Hope this helps.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 03:41 PM   #34 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,256
Thanks: 24,382
Thanked 7,359 Times in 4,759 Posts
flowmaster

Stick with OEM.All SEMA aftermarket muffler manufacturers along with cast and crew of Fast and the Furious have been convicted of crimes against humanity,and have been conscripted into the Army as infantry "point men".They will be permanently stationed in Iraq and Afganistan and will be air-dropped,naked,with no basic training,armed only with a pea-shooter.-------Their products will be confiscated by the Alien Property Custodian and destroyed in a public exhibition during Burning-Man.-------- Vin Diesel plead for his life but was the first to be taken.-------- SEMA has apologized for the damage they've caused and vows not to resist the seizure and destruction of their assets.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 09:55 PM   #35 (permalink)
EcoModding Lurker
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sweetwater, TN
Posts: 74

The Green Hornet - '96 Ford Escort Wagon LX
90 day: 39.26 mpg (US)

The Red Rocket - '96 Geo Metro Base
90 day: 53.07 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
it's all about how restrictive your current system is. On mustangs up until 2005, replacing the stick cat back system with a mandrel bent system and good free flowing mufflers was not only worth 5-15 up, but also gained a nice bit if low end torque to boot.

05 and up stangs have a much more efficient exhaust system stock, this making an upgrade useless.

My advice is to find a forum dedicated to your particular car and do some research. FYI a straight flow through muffler is the most efficient type.
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 03:13 AM   #36 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lancaster Ca
Posts: 362

Tank - '76 Chevy El Camino Classic
90 day: 25.89 mpg (US)

Sabrina - '91 Mercedes Benz 190 E
90 day: 37.07 mpg (US)

Angel - '88 Mercedes-Benz 420SEL
Last 3: 23.01 mpg (US)

Quicksilver - '04 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG Cabrio
Thanks: 52
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Flowmaster 40 with a turndown helped increase FE on my buddy's GMC sierra 4.3
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 03:25 AM   #37 (permalink)
(:
 
Frank Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762

Blue - '93 Ford Tempo
Last 3: 27.29 mpg (US)

F150 - '94 Ford F150 XLT 4x4
90 day: 18.5 mpg (US)

Sport Coupe - '92 Ford Tempo GL
Last 3: 69.62 mpg (US)

ShWing! - '82 honda gold wing Interstate
90 day: 33.65 mpg (US)

Moon Unit - '98 Mercury Sable LX Wagon
90 day: 21.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
Obviously I must run out and buy a Flowmaster 40 with a turndown now.
__________________


  Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 03:30 AM   #38 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee View Post
Obviously I must run out and buy a Flowmaster 40 with a turndown now.
This post will cost you a quarter. Feed's getting pricey these days.
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 03:32 AM   #39 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Madison AL
Posts: 1,123

The Geo - '93 Geo Metro
Team Metro
90 day: 45.16 mpg (US)
Thanks: 30
Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christ View Post
This post will cost you a quarter. Feed's getting pricey these days.
we need more icons.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 03:37 AM   #40 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,919

Pasta - '96 Volkswagen Passat TDi
90 day: 45.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,369
Thanked 430 Times in 353 Posts
It's less obvious this way.

__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"

  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Christ For This Useful Post:
mcrews (12-16-2009)
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Driving the Scanguage for FE Harry6 Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed 12 04-02-2010 01:51 PM
Basic EcoDriving Techniques and Instrumentation SVOboy Instrumentation 2 11-17-2007 12:38 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com