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Old 12-09-2021, 06:59 PM   #91 (permalink)
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In this case it would be percieved liability and costs to defend. Finance doesn't care tuppance about you after you bought it.

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Old 12-13-2021, 02:27 PM   #92 (permalink)
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I saw a 2017 Bolt for $15,000. I'm pretty tempted to get it, but don't really need the car... But ideally, I would replace the Prius with an EV, which would make more sense. Maybe some day I'll get an EV again.
That is lower than any Bolt I've seen in my region. The cheapest Bolt I found was a 2017 with about 120K miles for $17,000.

The cheapest one within 500 miles of me at the moment is a 2017 Bolt LT for $21,700.

It also seems what I read was true - GM is prioritizing Bolts in GM dealer inventory for battery replacement. They were on stop-sale until the battery recall is done but a bunch of Chevy dealers suddenly have Bolts for sale again.

(When I bought mine a few weeks ago no Chevy dealers were advertising Bolts)
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Old 12-13-2021, 07:23 PM   #93 (permalink)
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It also seems what I read was true - GM is prioritizing Bolts in GM dealer inventory for battery replacement.
Had it been so likely to cause a similar trouble as the Ford Pinto fires, I guess GM would hurry up to replace first the batteries of Bolts already in the hands of private owners.
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I don't understand why Leaf prices are pretty much the same but used Bolt prices have almost doubled. A new battery shouldn't be worth that much. Chevys have been pretty good on battery longevity.
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I don't understand why Leaf prices are pretty much the same but used Bolt prices have almost doubled. A new battery shouldn't be worth that much. Chevys have been pretty good on battery longevity.
I guess it depends on if we are talking the older Leafs or the newer 2018+ Leaf. I see a bunch of older gen Leafs for cheap which makes sense:
  • Reputation for poor battery life
  • Slow - 0-60 in 10 seconds
  • Range - only 75 to 115 miles range when new
  • CHAdeMO charging which is now a dead format in the USA
The older Leafs are a city commuter car - which is fine if that is what you want but none of the first gen EVs with about 100 mile range or less have retained much value on the used market.

As to why Bolt prices are up - they were WAY down due to the uncertainty of the recall and battery fires. GM was telling customers to only use 60% of the battery capacity, don't charge overnight, and don't park inside and that spooks people. Then back in July GM announced a fix that includes a brand new (and better) battery. The uncertainty is gone and GM is doing right by their customers.


The newer Leafs (2018 plus with long range batteries) seems to be selling for the same price as a similar Bolt. The cheapest 2018 or newer Leaf near me is a 2018 S standard range for $21,000. The cheapest Plus model with 223 mile range is a 2019 SV for $27,000.
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The 1st-gen Leaf didn't have an outstanding market share in my country, yet I see some 2nd-gen once in a while. Recently the EV that I see more often is a Chinese model made by JAC.

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