Ford to stop selling cars in North America

[Xist]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

a Ranger was cheaper than a Fiesta in 2011

There is something seriously wrong with that.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Xist

There is something seriously wrong with that.

Blame it on the tax regulations that privilege trucks. Not that I'm against trucks for commercial use, but when it comes to commuting the American approach becomes quite pointless compared to what is done in other developed countries such as Japan (where by the way Ford recently got out).

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Blame it on the tax regulations that privilege trucks. Not that I'm against trucks for commercial use, but when it comes to commuting the American approach becomes quite pointless compared to what is done in other developed countries such as Japan (where by the way Ford recently got out).

I'm reading on another forum that someone commutes 75 miles per day in a truck. I've never understood why people would go out of their way to drive something much less comfortable and responsive AND pay a premium to do so. They could easily buy an economical and comfortable commuter car and keep the truck and save money.

Not really surprising; our presidential election produced Hillary and Donald as the 2 candidates out of the millions of people in the US.

[Xist]

Yet truck people insult you and your vehicle for being practical.

[Vman455]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

And considering that a Ranger was cheaper than a Fiesta in 2011, it wouldn't surprise me to see the upcoming US-spec variants of the current overseas Ranger also being price-competitive there.

That may have been true in Brazil, but in the US the 2011 Fiesta started at $13,200 (sedan) or $15,500 (hatchback), while the Ranger started at $18,160. The Fiesta also topped out at $17,500, while the Ranger was $26.070 in its top trim.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Vman455

That may have been true in Brazil, but in the US the 2011 Fiesta started at $13,200 (sedan) or $15,500 (hatchback), while the Ranger started at $18,160. The Fiesta also topped out at $17,500, while the Ranger was $26.070 in its top trim.

Not the Fiesta, but it was cheaper than a Focus. Found the article that mentioned cost as a primary reason for Ford buyers to pick the Ranger: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...ing-the-ranger

But anyway, since trucks are considered somewhat aspirational here in Brazil, even those small coupé-utilities derived from subcompacts have been sold for a premium despite being cheaper to manufacture.

[Hersbird]

Cost being similar, I'd say the ranger was 100% more reliable long term in 2011. Also just physics, in a serious head-on, a 1500 full size with 3 stars crash rating will beat a compact or mid size with 5 stars every time.The ratings only apply to hitting something immobile like a bridge, or something of similar weight. My sister just got in an accident in her 2002 Suburban where a newer Prius made a left turn across traffic and they hit head on at about 40. I think we could fix the Suburban but because of it's age and value was a total, the Prius was definitely a total even if worth $30,000. Luckily there was no passenger in the Prius on the front side that was hit because they would have suffered at least minor injuries and death if not belted. People see that in real life over and over again and at some point the desire of self preservation kicks in. That and having 4X5-6.5' tall teenagers and 2 big adults with a week or 2 worth of luggage in anything less than a Suburban for a 1000+ mile road trip kind of sucks. SO people will see the Suburban with just one occupant some of the time and ask, why do you need that? The need may come from not being able to afford to have so many cars on hand to be the perfect tool for every situation. Sometimes you got to put a 16" crescent wrench on a 10mm nut although that's because my 10mm always walk away somehow.

[RedDevil]

But if 2 Fiestas have an accident, their drivers are more likely to escape injury than if 2 full size 3 star trucks hit each other. Their 'safety' only applies when the other car is smaller, at the expense of that car.

As bigger cars can cause more damage in traffic, liability insurance is more costly. At least some mitigation there.

[deluxx]

I personally never feel safe driving a big vehicle. I'm totally alert and on edge the entire time. Maybe I'm afraid of hitting someone else.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by Vman455

That may have been true in Brazil, but in the US the 2011 Fiesta started at $13,200 (sedan) or $15,500 (hatchback), while the Ranger started at $18,160. The Fiesta also topped out at $17,500, while the Ranger was $26.070 in its top trim.

In the US Trucks were cheaper than most cars up through the early 80’s

My fathers year old diesel 1/2 ton pickup was $200 less in 1979 than an Impala of the same year

Although trucks can be less to assemble than many cars on the market the auto makers are milking the image thing as far as it goes.