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So who sez you can't have both the coolant heater and the oil pan heater? 
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11-02-2010, 10:43 AM
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Would making my own drain plug heater be an option? Find a 100-150W heating element (anything special about it if it's going to be sitting in oil?), find a spare drain plug, drill a hole in it, put the heating element through the hole and weld it nice and snug. Anything else?
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So who sez you can't have both the coolant heater and the oil pan heater? |
That's my plan: Add a 100-150W oil heater the 550W coolant heater I recently installed.
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11-03-2010, 09:36 AM
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I looked around for heaters, but the only ones in the 100-200W range are for aquariums. They are inside a long glass tube, but I doubt they will be alright inside the oil pan. I think this idea will have to go on hold...
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[Old] Piwoslaw's Peugeot 307sw modding thread
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11-03-2010, 08:13 PM
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There is the type that replaces the oil dipstick.
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11-08-2011, 02:07 PM
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Coolant or oil pan heater?
[EDIT: disregard... a thread already exists on almost this exact question. Ugh. Here is the link to a thread on this: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...tml#post269415]
Which do you use? Which do you think is better? I'm considering this for my car: Model 9.1 125 Watt - 120 Volt - 1.0 Amp. My coolant and IAT temps were 48* this morning. I know that sounds like Spring to you Northerners (BTW, I grew up in the cold). But it's fairly cold here, and it weakens FE and comfort.
Would love to hear your opinions and experiences.
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11-08-2011, 06:13 PM
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Bump. I'm looking at this Titan oil pan heater as well as a similar one from Wolverine. Need to get back to work, though. Titan claims ( here) that its 125 watts will raise the oil to operating temps of a small motor like my 1.6L Honda in 5 hours. It seems like a good deal. Opinions?
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11-08-2011, 11:33 PM
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A block heater is the way to go.
The problem is the oil hangs low and is away from the rest of the mass of the engine block. If you heat just the oil and not the block the oil will turn back into honey as soon as it get pumped into the cold block.
When I built my diesel engine I installed two 650w block heaters.
Next gas engine I build will get a block heater from now on too.
125 watts isnt much. Its better than nothing.
Ripping out a freeze plug and putting in a block heater would be the best way to go.
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11-09-2011, 12:10 AM
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Bump. I'm looking at this Titan oil pan heater as well as a similar one from Wolverine. Need to get back to work, though. Titan claims ( here) that its 125 watts will raise the oil to operating temps of a small motor like my 1.6L Honda in 5 hours. It seems like a good deal. Opinions? |
http://www.amazon.com/Kats-24150-Wat...0811749&sr=8-2
That one is a lot cheaper |
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11-09-2011, 04:33 AM
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Whether you should get a block heater or a heating pad depends on what your aim is. A heating pad on the oil pan will heat only the oil (the heat that is transfered to the rest of the engine is very small), and that heat will be instantly soaked up by the rest of the cold engine when it starts. This of course doesn't mean that a heating pad alone is bad - any amount of heat that you put into the engine prior to startup is good - and a pad is easier to install.
On the other hand, a coolant heater (installed either on the coolant line, or directly in the block) will transfer heat to the most of the engine. This means that it might not go into rich mode when starting, saving fuel, not to mention the cleaner emissions. In my diesel the warm coolant also keeps the glow plugs from turning on, reducing battery drain in cold weather.
Of course, a coolant heater doesn't heat the oil down in the pan, so right after starting you may notice a temporary dip in engine temperature. The best solution is to heat both the oil and the coolant/block. I have a 550W DEFA coolant heater and a 125W Wolverine pad under the oil pan and am very happy with how they work together 
The bottom line is: If possible install both, if not go for the block heater and thinner oil, but a lone pad heater is still better than nothing.
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11-09-2011, 10:44 AM
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Calix and Defa are the most popular in Scandinavia. Don't know if they are available in the US or 120V versions. Anyway, those guys have done quite much research about car heating.
I have 550W Defa-systems in my Citroens and 500W Calix in Saab.
Basically all heaters here are engine block heaters, ie. water heaters. Oil heaters were mainly used in air-cooled Volkswagens.
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