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Old 09-10-2019, 04:26 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Old 09-15-2019, 11:15 PM   #132 (permalink)
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You have 2nd gear on the D16y engines listed as 1.782. By my count, earlier D15s have 37 and 21 teeth on their 2nd main and counter gears, resulting in a ratio of 1.762.

What combination of teeth gets you to 1.782?
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Just looked up and it looks like the Insight 5th gear is drop-in for the first-gen Fit, possibly second gen as well. The needle bearing for both of them is 35x39x24mm. This would drop 5th gear from 0.757 to 0.710 and highway cruising RPM (65mph) from 3100rpm to 2900rpm - not huge, but 6.5% is nothing to sneeze at.

My guess is that both gear shafts would probably drop in with minimal modification, but I don't think the Fit is appropriately powered to go from a 4.3 FD to a 3.2.

I just happen to have an Insight transmission laying around.
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First, my apologies that it took so long to update the OP. Busy and then crazy times intervened and I forgot. I respond below and have edited the OP.

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before I read through all the posts, the original post needs some updating/correction. I might have made them before, but I haven't been on Ecomodder in some time, the CRX has been retired.

88-91 Civic DX LX / CRX

3.722 was 88 only, 89-91 was 3.889
Done. Used this comment for citation in the bibliography at the end of the OP.

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All 1992-2000 trans have one of two speedo gears: EX/Si/HX use “big bore” black one and others use white one but outer diameter is the same. Honda used white big bore (40mm) speedo gear in the 88-89 transmissions, but also a few have shown up in 96-00 EX transmissions, seems Honda was raiding the left over parts bin.
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98-00 EX HB
Those didn't exist in USDM market, might be a CDM chassis/trans? Were they 35mm (small bore) like the 90-91 EX Sedan's or 40mm (big bore) like the 92-00 USDM? Quaife never got their info correct.
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PS: Those casting codes and 35mm vs. 40mm info, those were found out when I had 15-20 transmissions in the three seasons room at my old house 20+ years ago.
You have sold all of that inventory by now, I guess, yes?
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You have 2nd gear on the D16y engines listed as 1.782. By my count, earlier D15s have 37 and 21 teeth on their 2nd main and counter gears, resulting in a ratio of 1.762. What combination of teeth gets you to 1.782?
That number is from a cited source, not my personal counting. I have not counted teeth on my old DX (D16y7) transmission (yet). I will at some point and keep this question in mind.

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Just looked up and it looks like the Insight 5th gear is drop-in for the first-gen Fit, possibly second gen as well. The needle bearing for both of them is 35x39x24mm. This would drop 5th gear from 0.757 to 0.710 and highway cruising RPM (65mph) from 3100rpm to 2900rpm - not huge, but 6.5% is nothing to sneeze at. My guess is that both gear shafts would probably drop in with minimal modification, but I don't think the Fit is appropriately powered to go from a 4.3 FD to a 3.2.
This is interesting, but I wonder... Doesn't the Fit have the transmission on the driver side of the engine? The gears would be cut with opposite rotation in mind, no?
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This is interesting, but I wonder... Doesn't the Fit have the transmission on the driver side of the engine? The gears would be cut with opposite rotation in mind, no?
Nope! The Insight's ECA1 engine is basically the prototype L series engine that's in the Fit. The bell housing is the same on the transmission, the mounts are generally the same, the Insight engine is just one cylinder short and lacks VVT.

One might also look at it as the Insight engine being the first design in the line of engines that are now in basically every Honda - even the CR-V's turbo 1.5 has a lot of compatible parts and similar geometry.
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Was there a reason you have the chart starting with the fourth gen?

If only because you don't have the numbers for 1, 2, and 3, I can help with 1

1st 3.000
2nd 1.789
3rd 1.182
4th .846
Reverse 2.916
Final 4.933

And I know this thread is for manual transmissions, but if anyone is curious here is the ratios for the Honda-matic 2 speed

1st 1.521
2nd 1.034
Reverse 2.045
Final 4.117

I will post a scan of the book soon for documentation.

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Thanks for these adds, guys. It could be fun to expand this OP into a wider online resource for Honda manual transmissions, from first gen civic through at least seventh gen. I guess my current 4th through 7th Gen with the Civic is to focus on D-series engines, where I started, with my car. I was sticking with the FE cars. Maybe adding more L engines would be smart. My list is different from others that used to be online in that it emphasized transmission swaps that were for the FE cars rather than the ones dudes prefered to swap for "racing" fun. I'll edit the OP further soon.

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