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Old 03-03-2013, 09:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hahahaha credit approval for the loan lol. And ya it seems to usually be the climate control effecting it, but its also sometimes just whenever it wants to.

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I remember reading that, I guess I assumed though that the additional control the manual gives you over the vehicle allows someone who really really knows what they're doing to squeeze out a little extra to get it over the cvt. But honestly I love the car, I'm extremely happy with it, and my mileage has been great (compared to my old car for sure)!

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The CVT is probably better for regular driving, but if you look at the very top numbers on fuelly and on the CR-Z forums, it seems that the manual will still be slightly better for hypermiling.
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Didnt the owner of this site or cleanmpg drve a crz and get triple digits for mpg? Darrell Cosgrove?

The newer insight has the same flaky auto stop. I use to deal with ferrys and rail road crossings, so I would just use my key to turn the engine off and shift to nutral and turn back to the accessory postion and have the fan on, radio, wipers, etc. Then when the train had cleared or the ferry was loading or a long light has turned green I would crank up, shift to drive and go.

You may want to join a crz forum, think you are the second one here with one.
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Oh I'll have to check that out - and send him a message asking how he got such great economy haha

I've figured out a little more about it, I'm getting better at benefiting from it over time. I found that if I tap the break under 20mph the engine will cut off and it will coast to a stop, then under 6 if I depress the break and hold it, with climate control and wipers off it will auto idle - assuming battery charge and temperature are agreeable.

And I did! I joined the cr-z forum and apparently there are a few people in my area that have one, Ive only seen one so far at the gas pump last week, we both talked about not having seen any others with one since we've had it (very few sold so far, I think <20k up through the 2012 model) and he said he likes the milano red on mine better than the silver he had on his haha.

Thanks again! You've been really helpful.
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Cool. I'm on there are well, but just lurking for research purposes.
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You are on the right track. The secret is to ride the brakes, meaning apply enough pressure to make the brake light come on and the regen meter to peg its limit. I also engine brake by pressing the left paddle with the - sign on it to further add to the regen.

I also key off when in auto stop when parked, then shift to park before removing the key sothe engine doesnt refire just to be cut off again.

Lowering the car helps a few mpg, inflating the tires to the sidewall psi is good for a few mpg and blocking part of the grill.

If you drive at night you may find a benefit to going to some led and hid lighting. Not sure, but I think the fog or driving lights are on with the head lights where as they are optional on the insight and we have a switch. You can remove the drl fuse to turn off the drls.

Several insight owners have removed the rear wiper and replaced it with a hillman electrical plug from the hardware store.

Lastly, if you know anything about electronics, a PWM, etc your IMA system can take up to 12o volts dc and at least 17 amps that will increase your mpg. I had an enginer plug in kit that back fed the IMA system 117 volts and allowed a 15 mpg boost under regualr driving conditions.
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Did the the engineer kit directly drive the IMA, or just float the state of charge of the stock IMA battery? How does it use this power to drive the IMA, assuming there is no MIMA system.
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Thanks Cobb! You've been a big help I was considering inflating the tires a bit more, getting the grill without the front plate mount (as it isn't required in my state but was in the one it was originally sold in), and blocking it off to some degree. I'm not sure I want to lower it, I've considered it, but I'm hesitant as it is already extremely low to the ground and I'd be worried about damaging the vehicle.

I noticed the thing with foglights! And I turned that off. I didn't look at the fuses but if I can pull the drl fuses that would be good to do I'll have to look and make sure thats all it runs (I've had interesting stories about fuses that do more than one thing). I have the ex so HID is standard so I've got that going for me. The 2013's have led's around the perimeter of the light, I'm not positive if that is the new drl or if it is the new headlight, but the actual fixture is the same so I may be able to just swap it (another thing I've put a little thought into).

I love electronics! I work in IT on the internal service desk of a larger company, I get to play with them all day ^_^ That is a very very interesting prospect and that is definitely going on the list! a 15 mpg boost puts me into the 60's or even better, I am very excited about that idea haha.
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sheepdog, it works on the back end vs the front end. On top of the ima pack is the braker to switch it off and on by the user or a good head on accident.

Next to the braker is 4 terminals that are connected to the batteries and give you full voltage. The Enginer kit taps 2 of the 4 to charge or supplement the battery for the IMA system to use.

Kate, If you do not need the fog or driving lamps a better alternative maybe to just pull that fuse. Everything in the honda seems laid out pretty well without causing other problems.

For a while I had disconnected the power steering, that gave me 2 mo mpg.

The best way to use the hvac is to use the blower speed to manage temperature. For example in the summer set the temp to lo and vary the blower for more or less cool air.

In the winter set the heat for 1 degree below the max temp. In the insight its 85 degrees. Then use the blower speed for more or less heat. In the off position heat will blow from the vents at highway speeds.

Although the blue cold engine light turns off at 127 degrees F, the real heat doesnt come til the t stat starts to open at 160-180 degrees.

Yeah, you can lower the crz a few with no problems. My only problem with my insight is hitting the track at the local car wash. I got the tanabe df springs. I thought the crz was to bouncy to be classified a sports car.
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Cobb, I'm reading about this on the engineer page and it's pretty freakin cool, did you do it yourself or have someone install? Any pics of the process? I'm super excited about this except for the cost which I don't have on hand seeing I just bought a car haha. And thanks again for the tips! Oh and the Z isn't a sports car :P it's just a "sporty hybrid" which I think part of that is honestly the look but imokaywiththis.jpg

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