How much would you save driving Leaf?

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Originally Posted by darcane

To be honest, I didn't even check used prices. Most new models of cars seem to have super high resale value until they are 6-10 years old or have a second generation released. A quick scan of my local craigslist shows about a dozen for under $10k. That's a lot more of a drop than I had expected.

The only thing that falls faster than a new electric vehicle's resale value is a lift with its cable cut.

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Originally Posted by jamesqf

Interesting example of how not to inspire confidence in your technology. I thought I'd run my numbers through their calculator, even though I'm pretty sure that with an Insight averaging 70+ mpg, I'd get a negative return. So first question is "What's your ZIP code?", but there's no field in which to enter it! Sheesh, if you can't even hire people competent enough to write a simple web form...

After I entered my zip code they made it real clear that there was free money to be had to help me buy the vehicle. I think that is why they want you to enter your zip code, to see if there is any state money that can be given away in addition to federal money.
If they just gave me the $7,500 I would just build my own.

I entered the fuel economy of my 3 speed 7.4L suburban when I originally got it, 6mpg.
It told me to enter a valid number.
OMG I laughed so hard I almost died.

[darcane]

Originally Posted by KrautBurner

I was just talking to a dealer in WA
he said they have sold over 200 LEAFS
and only 9 were purchased (the rest were leased)

Our very low electricity costs (Cheapest in the country) mean electric cars make even more sense here in WA.

A coworker was looking for recommendations for a used car for $9000 or less to replace his mashed up Civic. He wants something fairly new with low miles that he can reliably put another 100k miles on with no major problems.

LOTS of Leafs were coming up, so I looked into them a little more thoroughly. They are newer than other cars in this price range and all have very low miles and look to be in very nice condition. Many are off-lease, with an occasional 1-owner purchased car.

I brought it to his attention, but felt I couldn't recommend one for one reason: Battery life. Most ads are showing missing bars or avoid mentioning the condition of the battery. It will work for him with his ~40ish miles of daily commuting now even with his heavy foot, but I am not confident it will still work for him in another five years when it has 100k miles without a new battery pack.

[darcane]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

Interesting example of how not to inspire confidence in your technology. I thought I'd run my numbers through their calculator, even though I'm pretty sure that with an Insight averaging 70+ mpg, I'd get a negative return. So first question is "What's your ZIP code?", but there's no field in which to enter it! Sheesh, if you can't even hire people competent enough to write a simple web form...

Which version of Netscape™ are you using?




The field is immediately below the question when I view it (Windows 7, IE 11)

[ME_Andy]

I got savings of $1/day. So it might take 36 years to pay off if I traded my nearly-new Cruze for a brand-new Leaf.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

After I entered my zip code they made it real clear that there was free money to be had to help me buy the vehicle. I think that is why they want you to enter your zip code...

Oh, I understand WHY they want you to enter a ZIP code, I just don't understand why they don't bother to test their code to be sure that it actually works - and not just with the latest version of Microsoft or Google browsers.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by darcane

Which version of Netscape™ are you using?

Opera, the last (mostly) unbroken version.

The field is immediately below the question when I view it (Windows 7, IE 11)

Right, so I don't use Windoze. Which goes back to what I said about competent technical people. There are web standards which should, if adhered to, ensure that any standards-conforming browser will function with any standard-conforming web page. These people (and Microsoft) choose to ignore those standards, causing them to lose some share of their potential market.

[thingstodo]

Originally Posted by darcane

I brought it to his attention, but felt I couldn't recommend one for one reason: Battery life. Most ads are showing missing bars or avoid mentioning the condition of the battery. It will work for him with his ~40ish miles of daily commuting now even with his heavy foot, but I am not confident it will still work for him in another five years when it has 100k miles without a new battery pack.

I am not a fan of the Leaf. It is a first-gen electric. While I understand that there is pain to go through being 'first' that does not mean that I wish to SHARE that pain. As I understand it, there is no Nissan tech in western Canada that can fix anything but the simplest of error codes on a Leaf.

If you are OK with the styling and the possibility of no access to the car for a period of time if the car requires repair, I would not be too worried about the life of the battery pack. I expect that there are good ones and bad ones, but they appear to be holding up quite well, all things considered.

That said, I'm OK with losing the trunk space for a second and parallel pack, sourced from a wreck. Perhaps most people aren't.

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Originally Posted by thingstodo

As I understand it, there is no Nissan tech in western Canada that can fix anything but the simplest of error codes on a Leaf.

If you are OK with the styling and the possibility of no access to the car for a period of time if the car requires repair

Sounds just like owning a VW with a mark4 turbo gas motor where I live.

[Xist]

My sister is trying to get a job with Google, I think for an autonomous car project. Today she said that cars were a big waste of money for something that you only spent a percentage of your time using. I responded that ride sharing should work fine in a dense area like an apartment building, but heaven forbid that people need to walk to access a car in a normal neighborhood!

Then I wondered about a roommate situation. How much would one need to charge roommates to allow them to run errands in it, as long as they are not gone for an hour or two, and they plug in when they return.