Lighter pickups coming soon- but geez have they gotten fat!

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by taco

I say 75hp per 1500lbs is good.
I drive 130mile round trip a day.so Fe is good but it is all backcountry 2 lane roads that arnt well maintained. Usually no scraping in the winter, so 4x4 is needed and that is y it is stupid around here to buy a 2wd. I have had to use 4wd about a dozen times this year so far.

Most of my memories as a teen learning to drive were bucking 2' snow drifts in the 82 suburban going to a craft show in the early morning or coming back late at night, it was 2wd and no I didn't need 4wd but then again, I had a lot of weight in the back so it would just keep plowing through. Needless to say Northern Wisconsin and Upper Michigan did not always maintain all their roads very well. Unless you are going off road a lot my 2wd suburban likely has gone through exactly the same situations you do without issue.

I never did manage to get stuck, but occasionally I had to drive backwards to go in deep mud. Ice was always irritating but I always made it using a bit of common sense.

Cheers
Ryan

[taco]

U don't have 3000 foot elevation change do u

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by taco

U don't have 3000 foot elevation change do u

I did have 1/3 that in upper Michigan once, I don't think 4wd would have helped coming down it on ice though.

Snow banks work well for brakes and traction, I learned that shortly after I started driving.

[taco]

True.

But I don't like sliding. When it's not on purpose.

[Clev]

Originally Posted by taco

U don't have 3000 foot elevation change do u

I have a 140 mile commute with a 4,675 foot elevation change, and I have to use 4WD about a dozen times a year as well. The rest of the times, I stick with a car that gets twice the mileage.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by rmay635703

Most of my memories as a teen learning to drive were bucking 2' snow drifts in the 82 suburban going to a craft show in the early morning or coming back late at night, it was 2wd and no I didn't need 4wd...

Upstate New York in one of the 1st generation Chevy Novas, when the only vehicles that had 4WD were Jeeps. (Oh, and one local car nut - a man decades ahead of his time - who put a car body on a Jeep chassis.) But somehow everybody managed to get around ok without.

And no, we didn't have 3000 ft elevation changes, we had about 700 ft, over and over and over again.

[slowmover]

The truck magazines are all starting to add the "0-60 hauling a 10,000 pound trailer" test to their truck comparos, so expect this phenomenon to get worse.

No, the info has been out there but primarily in media aimed at RV'ers, farmers, ranchers, etc.

For more than 40-years, a tow rig up towards maximum GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) in a 0-60 test showing 20-seconds +/- is doing fine. 18-seconds isn't needed, and 24-seconds is acceptable. Above 30-seconds starts to be a problem to get on the highway, especially with a short entrance ramp.

So long as this number is okay, looking at braking tests, empty & loaded (the truck brakes are only rated to stop the vehicle loaded; a trailer has brakes to stop itself), plus passing times from 30-50.

On the big three automaker diesel trucks these numbers are about dead-on the same. Fuel mileage isn't EPA rated, so take truck "tests" with a grain of salt.

Look at the price as tested, the 0-60 plus 30-50 times, braking, and fuel mileage. Generally, the lowest price truck will be fine for someone not keeping it a very long time.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by autoteach

4948cc's. Lets just put it this way, a 22RE is referred to as a 2.4 liter, plain and simple. As I told you when I first mentioned it, its for your good when ordering parts and the such, but you can call it a 2.3 as you like and be corrected, questioned, or otherwise.

Originally Posted by UFO

I am an engineer and 2366cc translates to 2.4 liters, not 2.3. Two significant digits dictates you must round up the 66cc to 100cc. You can still call it a 2.37 liter ...

Finally, some political/religious sniping. Thank goodness! I was beginning to lose faith in this place.

[The Rooster]

Also, if you go calling a 22RE a 2.3 around people who own or work on Toyota's, they'll all look confused because nobody calls it a 2.3. Or they might just laugh at you. And if someone tried to figure out which engine you were talking about, they might have a hard time... Are you rounding up the 20R 2.2L or Rounding down the 22R 2.4L.

[cfg83]

Did someone say ...

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Fascinating

CarloSW2