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Old 08-02-2018, 10:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I have not seen much of New Mexico or Nevada, but I hate driving through Nevada. When I was a kid we drove through and I thought "This place is so ugly someone should drop a nuclear bomb on it." When I was an adult I mentioned that and a friend smiled and pointed out they did.

I do not know why I dislike Nevada so much, but I actually plan on visiting Las Vegas, New Mexico.

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Yeah, I drove from Vegas back home to Portland and it was pretty desolate and boring. Best use of the land is probably those reflective solar heat power plants. Pretty sure I have seen those while flying in to Vegas.

Red Rocks is ok. Valley of Fire is really neat.
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I was in Las Vegas nm 22 years ago. Not much there then
I described what I saw 22 years ago to a Co worker with family there and he said nothing has changed.
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China is the world leader in CO2 production.

The US has had a diverse energy portfolio since the 1930s.
Large scale wind power generation may not have been invented here but this is where it was perfected.
Nasa inverted solar panels.
I don't know if the US invented geothermal power generation but we brought it up to grid scale.
Same with hydroelectric.
Nuclear power originated here.

Most of the country was built on and around cheap fossil fuel power because that's all there was at the time. Most of China was built long after these things were invented and perfected. So yeah they are going to see a little more wide spread use.
China's hybrid government may allow them advantages we'll never see here.
With their pursuit of a market basket full of energy technologies,they may be in a perfect position to shed carbon combustion faster than we.
We can blow a $trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan but we can't spend a $trillion on technology that'll get us out of that part of the world.That would just be some left-wing attack on personal freedom,limiting consumer choice,stifling profits,royalties, some U.N.-style bureaucratic conspiracy to steal the American dream,command and control nightmare.
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Without this new material,it will be impossible for an individual to intelligently discuss the issue.
Whelp, I guess going forward I can't intelligently discuss the issue, but if you don't mind as you are perusing your purchase make note of whether it includes Buckminster Fuller's work.
  • Utopia or Oblivion
  • 1940 Fortune magazine Resource Inventory [3 articles]
  • World Game

There is also a resource flowchart that was commissioned by the State of Oregon and then disowned in the 1970s that was very interesting. A copy exists among my books but they're all boxed up. Maybe I can find it.
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Whelp, I guess going forward I can't intelligently discuss the issue, but if you don't mind as you are perusing your purchase make note of whether it includes Buckminster Fuller's work.
  • Utopia or Oblivion
  • 1940 Fortune magazine Resource Inventory [3 articles]
  • World Game

There is also a resource flowchart that was commissioned by the State of Oregon and then disowned in the 1970s that was very interesting. A copy exists among my books but they're all boxed up. Maybe I can find it.
Everything in the article is free and online.
When PBS NEWS HOUR mentioned it,they covered enough material to suggest to me that it would be worth the investment,for the material they managed to cover.
Since I have only limited time each week on the computer I've decided to wait for the magazine.I can look at it at home without a computer.I can barely keep up with you guys,now doing Wednesdays as well as Saturdays.
I did speed -scan the online article.I don't recall any mention of Bucky.He would have passed before there was an introduction to climate change for the general public.
I'll go by Barnes & Noble on the way home 'n see if they have the mag.It's the only surviving bookstore in Denton.
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China's hybrid government may allow them advantages we'll never see here.
Human rights abuse, political prisoners, people regularly sickened by pollution, no minimum wage, no government organization to protect the environment.
The government of China has no interest in the environment or saving the world. Hell they have started using R-11 to make Styrofoam, something that hasn't been done in the US for at least 40 years.
They are in the position to do what ever they want with little to no opposition. Some times their will appears to help the environment, but most of the time it just destroys and pollutes.
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When PBS NEWS HOUR mentioned it....
Worth a link then? If it's NYT you can follow the article at https://botwiki.org/bot/nyt_diff/ and see if the story changes (they a bad at errata).

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I don't recall any mention of Bucky.He would have passed before there was an introduction to climate change for the general public.
1989? He passed and everyone's mind was smoothened so that the messages of hope and wisdom for us all wouldn't take root. People are trying to reinvent World Game today.

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