Lots of HHO gen. Qs.

[oil pan 4]

HHO does not appear to work.

[mechman600]

Originally Posted by drrbc

Dude, just PM RustyLugNut, he is the only one here will offer even the least bit of help or encouragement. All the rest will just criticize and ridicule regarding this topic.

Who doesn't love to criticize and ridicule stupid ideas?

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by drrbc

Dude, just PM RustyLugNut, he is the only one here will offer even the least bit of help or encouragement. All the rest will just criticize and ridicule regarding this topic.

Not that they're all bad, but overall the ones that post the most seem quite limited and linear. Very useful for aerodynamics stuff and some general mechanical, but past that- YOYOMF.

Good luck and publish your results- good or bad. The bad is usually more helpful.

Regards,
drrbc

Helpful and encouraging is telling someone NOT to lick a flagpole in the winter.
But go ahead- lick that pole and tell us how it went. I hear that's more useful.

We've been through all the rational, logical, and fact-based examinations of HHO and today's technology many, many times already. It has been so disproven, on so many levels, on so many occasions, that to bring it up again is just comical.

[sunburnt]

Thanks for the replies guys.
My interest is not hybrid gas + HHO, that`s why the equation and storage Qs.

In regards to a hybrid setup, a higher efficiency method is needed.
In an AC unit, the electricity does not make cold directly, it runs motors.
The efficiency of the freon cycle is the key to it`s high cold to power ratio.
A first look at it seems like it`s way over unity, understanding it explains why.

I understand HHO is non efficient, but how does it compare to $4.00 a gallon?
Tank size and complexity is a key item, how much range vs electric car?
Batteries are expensive, 3 to 5 year life and recharge with electricity also.
HHO hardware lasts a long time as I understand it, unlike solar cells, etc.

I`ll look at your suggested links and contact a few folks too. Thanks again...


P.S. Decades ago I thought of tapering a VW bus rear to mimic Bucky Fuller`s Dymaxion van.
It achieved 80 mpg without fuel injection ( carburetor ) and no radial tires either.!
Bucky has always been a hero of mine, said all people should be living like billionaires.
The reason is the wealthy`s attitude of "The Just-Us Club". Poverty is caused intentionally.

[drrbc]

@mikeyjd- "This thread has allot of good info"

Sure does. it proves what I said about the membership here acting like jackass's

@UltArc- "We are happy to help."

No your not. Just look at yourselves in the link mikeyjd supplied. Stop lying to the new guy.

@mechman600- "Never in the history…."

Pal, that was the perfect reply. It was, at least up until the "^^^WHAT HE SAID^^^". But I guess that was your stupid idea, and I just love to criticize stupid.

@Old Mechanic- "A liter of HHO has…"

Not helpful unless by matches you meant "catalyst". We went through this last time, remember?

At least you weren't overtly belligerent.

@mbolton1990- "From my understanding…"

Very well said, sir. Yours is the textbook appropriate response, you have my compliments.

And finally… my dear Frank Lee

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Helpful and encouraging is telling someone NOT to lick a flagpole in the winter.
But go ahead- lick that pole and tell us how it went. I hear that's more useful.

We've been through all the rational, logical, and fact-based examinations of HHO and today's technology many, many times already. It has been so disproven, on so many levels, on so many occasions, that to bring it up again is just comical.

No Frank, helpful would be something like "since we've not been able to ascertain by any rigorous studies that HHO improves fuel economy, few here will likely offer any help when other proven means are more readily available."

Because you seriously can't call your (and others) impolite treatment of others a "rational, logical, and fact-based examination(s)" of squat despite it not being "disproven, on so many levels, on so many occasions, that to bring it up again is just comical" because, apparently, too few here understand the significance of open versus closed systems and the application of the Second Law- to which I thought we'd made clear at your last spanking (and don't make me have to do it again!).

So how did that feel when I belittled you in front of others? See the difference?

And y'know- I really didn't feel like getting in to this today. As a matter of fact, I'd just looked at your air dam mod on your F-150 and was going to compliment you on it. I'm actually thinking I would like to do the same- time permitting.

So, with all respect gentlemen, how about this time we just drop everything with mbolton1990's thoughts?

"From my understanding it takes more energy to make HHO than it gives back.

I could be wrong,heck I hope I am wrong."

[Frank Lee]

I don't feel belittled, because you haven't proven anything I've said wrong.

In looking back a little bit, it appears you only come out of the woodwork when HHO comes up. The "scam" thread says it all and it appears you have some confusion about who got spanked.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by sunburnt

Thanks for the replies guys.
My interest is not hybrid gas + HHO, that`s why the equation and storage Qs.

I understand HHO is non efficient, but how does it compare to $4.00 a gallon?
Tank size and complexity is a key item, how much range vs electric car?
Batteries are expensive, 3 to 5 year life and recharge with electricity also.
HHO hardware lasts a long time as I understand it, unlike solar cells, etc.

I`ll look at your suggested links and contact a few folks too. Thanks again...


P.S. Decades ago I thought of tapering a VW bus rear to mimic Bucky Fuller`s Dymaxion van.
It achieved 80 mpg without fuel injection ( carburetor ) and no radial tires either.!
Bucky has always been a hero of mine, said all people should be living like billionaires.
The reason is the wealthy`s attitude of "The Just-Us Club". Poverty is caused intentionally.

Oh, where to even begin?

Batteries only last three to five years? Maybe in flashlights. My '94 Ford still has the OEM battery, and everything I've read indicates very good battery life for automotive hybrids and EVs.

Dymaxion is often credited with 30 mpg. That is quite a lot less than 80.

[wickydude]

sunburnt, my top tip would be: Find a local college and follow a few science and physics classes.

Mainly on energy conversion rates and losses involved.

[RedDevil]

I know only one thing about HHO from personal experience.

My chemistry teacher wanted to show the explosiveness of the mixed hydrogen and oxygen gas, generated by electrodes in water. The test prescribed catching it in a small beaker and lighting it with a glowing copper rod. He thought using a beaker was dangerous and used a reaction tube instead. It whistled when lit.
We were not impressed.

Next class he tried another approach: he put the electrodes in a bowl of soapy water and waited until it had a layer of foam on top of it. HHO foam. About 1000 CC of it.
He lit that with the glowing copper rod. It did gave a bang.
We were impressed.
So were at least 5 other teachers from classes nearby, who came in to investigate.
So were even some people in the street some 50 yards away. The windows did not shatter, but did shake violently.

If you store more HHO than a few matchsticks worth, then you effectively have a bomb on hand.

[Cobb]

Why hasnt this been moved to the unicorn section?