Magnetic field separates oxygen from air/nitrogen?!?!

[Logic]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

There's no reason to want more oxygen. Engines and fuel are designed around use with regular air.

I don't think one is ever going to get to that point oil pan.
But one may just be able to get the O2 %age up a bit with properly arranged magnetic fields or a centrifuge of some sort, or a combination of the 2.

But heres a little thought experiment assuming one could:
If
O2 is 20% air
then
an engine designed to run on pure O2 would be around 20% the size of a std engine.
That brings a lot of weight savings, which means an even smaller engine would suffice.

Then there's all the 'no NOx buggering up the combustion process' faster burn at optimal crank angles etc to consider.
No exhaust catalysts reqd.
more aero car nose, more space
etc.

So that's why something simple and light/ish that increases the % of O2 inducted unto an engine would be nice.
I think one in my nose wouldn't go amiss either!

[Logic]

Originally Posted by aerohead

My SWAG is: perhaps only gaseous diffusion in a centrifuge, using the mass differential of the two gases, could separate them. Or cryogenics. One would 'liquify' before the other.
If you managed to get enriched oxygen into the engine, it might just immediately oxidize the first lubricant hydrocarbon it came into contact with.
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like oiling an oxygen regulator on an oxyacetylene welding unit.

I believe cryo processing is how the bottled oxycen one buys is made aerohead.
NOT practical or cheap.

But one may just be able to get the O2 percentage up a bit with properly arranged magnetic fields or a centrifuge of some sort, or a combination of the 2.

So something simple and light that increases the % of O2 inducted into an engine would be nice.

[Piotrsko]

Even if the intake is scrupulously clean, O2 oxidizes stuff at ridiculously high temperatures many times the safe temperature of the metals we currently use. Even Hastelloy X cuts with a torch and an air stream. Last I knew, acetylene and O2 burned at 6,000F, Hastelloy melts at 3,000

[Logic]

Just stumbled upon this while researching.
Hmmm....
I like 'little nuggets' of information like this:
"...The response of the engine was astonishing; it howled, and immediately...
immediately shut engine off...already done a bit of harm..."

Maybe this guy is lying, but I see no reason for him to, so the question that pops into my head is:
"WHY???!" Why did it "howl" to the point of damage?

Some Context:
This guy has put up a web site about putting air ionizers in his intake (yes I know... ) and wants to verify that 'his cheese hasn't slid of his cracker' by getting others to try the same thing.
https://motormercy.ponderworthy.com/

But one day he decided to attach the high voltage negative lead of the ozone generator to the metal mesh on the outside of his cylindrical air filter.


NB that his other 14 ionizers where still attached at the time.
https://motormercy.ponderworthy.com/...tting-it-right



If this guy started the car as usual; with the usual amount of throttle action,
then the only ways I can think of for the engine to "howel" are:
1: If there was a hell of lot more oxygen (or ozone) in the intake and thus getting past the throttle flap in its usual, almost closed position..??
Nah!
2: There was a turbocharging effect somehow..??
Nah!
3: The filter was damp and he inadvertently produced a lot of HHO (and ozone) in the intake tract in the time between attaching the lead and startup..??

Assuming a constant HV DC voltage in the filter mesh you will have electrons flying toward the inrushing, more positive, air.
Or, thx to the airspeed, would they rush inward, toward the filter paper, in the direction of flow..?
Perhaps some sort of magic happens in the interaction of the paper with the mesh and/or ions..?
Perhaps its all a load of poo-hoo-wee..???

I will say; at the, cheap as chips, price of the HV ionizer doodats and the simplicity of the mod; this is worth tinkering around with!?
I for 1 want to know whatTH is going on here! I cant just let this one pass by as BS.
https://motormercy.ponderworthy.com/articles/parts

[freebeard]

I cant just let this one pass by as BS.

I can. And will.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I can. And will.

Ye...

Thing is freebeard; all the 'known to work' things are just that;
Known, discussed, done.
There really isn't anything left unsaid.
Boring...

Apparently something 'too good to be true' that is, comes around every 30 years or so.
Now that's exciting!

Don't get me wrong the tried and tested stuff; I'll do it and well, but zzzz....
Something like this is cheap n easy to test and the fact that its a looooong shot: well that's the casino I like to be in.

So yep the Unicorn Corral is where I like to play and probably where the majority of my posts will be...

[freebeard]

I don't disagree, just not the hill I'd want, to make a last stand.

Maybe it would work by shooting atoms down a corridor lined with pulsating magnets or something. Maybe a Ranque-Hilsch Vortex tube?

My friend said the most important question facing us today is underground tunnels full of children; and I said no -- it's what keeps UFOs up in the air.

I have enjoyed watching Buckminster Fuller having an elemental form of carbon named for him, leading to Bucky balls, then Bucky tubes, then sheet graphene and now 'Magic Angle' 2D atom sandwiches.

[Logic]

Here's a 'modded' turbo that's said to seperate O2 from air:
https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20140261278.pdf

NB That the O2 is 'heavier' than the N2 and collected form the periphery of the centrifuge, slightly pressurized.



"There are 3 main benefits resulting from this innovation:
- A drastic reduction in NOx emissions, whatever the test cycle (WLTP, RDE)
- A very significant improvement in cold start emissions, as it is possible to temporarily increase the combustion temperature without creating NOx. (Less particulate emissions)
- A substantial improvement in overall engine efficiency coming from a high EGR rate (No need to pump Nitrogen through the combustion chamber). This also leads to less CO2."
https://contest.techbriefs.com/2018/...portation/9119

Not a magnetic field in sight and with the expense and complexity of a turbo; why not just turbocharge the engine.
You also have to filter all the dust out of the 'useless' nitrogen before...
Perhaps a properly arranged magnetic field would improve it.

At least it probably doesn't deserve to be in the Unicorn Corral

[Logic]

If
Oxygen is 'heavier' (more dense) than Nitrogen;
Then
All the centrifugal pre-cleaners are going to very-very slightly increase the amount of nitrogen entering ICEs.

if you 'take' the outside (centrifuged) air in; you don't get a decrease in the amount of dust to be filtered out.

Hmmm...

Back to magnets:
At a guess a strong tube magnet, magnetized through it's length seems to have the best chance of turning Nitrogen (repelled) away at the door, so to speak, thx the the strongest field strength at the entrance.

https://supermagnetman.com/blogs/new...-field-profile

Perhaps a bar magnet down the centre axis (or on the axis, but in front of tube would help.
Something like this: ---===
ie: N2 will try enter in the centre, which would be physically blocked by such...
It would also increase field strength if N to S.


At the end of the day I have NO idea if this would make a measurable difference and be worth the cost and weight.
But your 'Super Magneto Ram Intake' will help to pull you down the road when you're tailgating trucks!

[Logic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I don't disagree, just not the hill I'd want, to make a last stand.

Fortunately my life isn't on the line, just some time and a bit of cash.
As for my rep: I'm me.
I'm not even sure that other people's opinion of me is any of my business.

Originally Posted by freebeard

Maybe it would work by shooting atoms down a corridor lined with pulsating magnets or something. Maybe a Ranque-Hilsch Vortex tube?

Ye those Vortex Tubes are very interesting things!
I'll get to them..!

Originally Posted by freebeard

I have enjoyed watching Buckminster Fuller having an elemental form of carbon named for him, leading to Bucky balls, then Bucky tubes, then sheet graphene and now 'Magic Angle' 2D atom sandwiches.

What you'll enjoy even more is the effect of taking Bucky Balls (the C60 ones) dissolved in Olive Oil (High polyphenol/early harvest, pure!)
That there is a Unicorn that walked out the corral and straight into the scientific limelight!